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Ammonium salts preparation....
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even searching, I haven't found nothing about a thread talking of ammonium salts, so I've decided to create this one.
Ammonium Bicarbonate
NH4HCO3
Mol. 79,06 g/mol
Density 1,586 g/cm3
Sol. 17,4g in 100ml H2O at 20°C
M.P 106°C
B.P Decomposition
Ammonium Bifluoride
(NH4)HF2
Mol. 57,04 g/mol
Density 1,5 g/cm3
Sol. 63g in 100ml H2O at 20°C
M.P 126°C
B.P 230°C - decomposition
Ammonium Chloride
NH4Cl
Mol. 59,49 g/mol
Density 1,527 g/cm3
Sol. 29,7g in 100ml H2O at 20°C
M.P 338°C
B.P 520°C - sublimation
Ammonium Fluoride
NH4F
Mol. 37,04 g/mol
Density 1,01 g/cm3
Sol. 82g in 100ml H2O at 20°C
Ammonium Sulphate
(NH4)2SO4
Mol. 132,14 g/mol
Density 1,77 g/cm3
Sol. 75,5g in 100ml H2O at 20°C
M.P 273°C - decomposition
Just some infos. about common ammonium compound...
How can I prepare ammonium oleate?
Does anyone have idea about an exotic/interesting ammonium salt?
Thanks at all for help! Ammonium fans!
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Ammonium perchlorate, chlorate permanganate, are all interesting in their own little way. 
Or a rather exotic ammonium compound I prepared recently: diethylammonium chloride.
Ammonium oleate I imagine could be prepared by the action of Ammonium (bi)carbonate or hydroxide on oleic acid. Look up their solubilities. If oleic
acid is insoluble in water it is easy, just shake it with a solution of NH3 or NH4CO3 until it dissolves, then evaporate to get crystals of ammonium
oleate.
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Thank you very much, rogue chemist!
The salts you've mentioned are quite interesting, and also the synthesis of NH4 oleate will be helpful to me. I want to prepare oleic acid from
olive oil and NaOH (cold saponification process, no heat required), then adding 90% H2SO4.
Returning on ammonium, ferric ammonium citrate is fluorescent if I remember right.
(How to diethylammonium Cl? NH4Cl + C2H5OH? You could send more details via U2U).
Thanks all for help!
[Edited on 8-10-2005 by kazaa81]
[Edited on 9-10-2005 by kazaa81]
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Some more data about ammonium salts...
There's some more infos about ammonium salts.....
Ammonium Aluminum Sulphate
(NH4)Al(SO4)2 * 12 H2O
Mol. 453,33 g/mol
Density 1,64 g/cm3
Sol. 15g in 100ml H2O at 20°C
M.P 93,5°C
B.P 120°C -10 H2O
Ammonium Carbonate
(NH4)2CO3
Mol. 96,09 g/mol
Density -
Sol. 100g in 100ml H2O at 15°C
M.P 58°C - decomposition
B.P -previously decomposition-
Ammonium Chlorostannate
(NH4)2SnCl6
Mol. 367,52 g/mol
Sol. 33g in 100ml H2O at 20°C
Density 2,4 g/cm3
M.P decomposition
B.P -previously decomposition-
Ammonium Chromiumsulphate
(NH4)Cr(SO4)2 * 12H2O
Mol. 478,38 g/mol
Sol. 20g in 100ml H2O at 20°C
Density 1,72 g/cm3
M.P -
B.P 95°C -9 H2O
Ammonium Ironsulphate (ferrous)
(NH4)2SO4 * FeSO4 * 6 H2O
Mol. 392,16 g/mol
Sol. 27g in 100ml H2O at 20°C
Density 1,864 g/cm3
M.P decomposition
B.P -previously decomposition-
Ammonium Ironsulphate (ferric)
(NH4)Fe(SO4)2 * 12 H2O
Mol. 428,21 g/mol
Sol. 123g in 100ml H2O at 20°C
Density 1,71 g/cm3
M.P 230°C -12 H2O
B.P -
Ammonium Nitrate
NH4NO3
Mol. 80,05 g/mol
Sol. 118g in 100ml H2O at 0°C
Density 1,725 g/cm3
M.P 170°C
B.P 210°C - decomposition
I hope there aren't mistakes....
Oleic Acid [cis-9-octadecenoic]
CH3-(CH2)7-CH=CH-(CH2)7-COOH
C18H34O2
Mol. 282,47 g/mol
Density 0,895 at 18°C
Sol. not sol. in H2O, much soluble in ether, benzine, acetone,
high sol. in alcohol, chloroform
M.P 16°C
B.P 286°C
Please post any idea about ammonium and related!
Ammonium fans!
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Other informations about ammonium salts....
Ammonium Acetate
(NH4)CH3COO
Mol. 77,08 g/mol
Density 1,17 g/cm3
Sol. 148 g in 100ml H2O at 4°C
M.P 114°C
B.P 273°C -decomposition
Ammonium Cerium (IV) Nitrate
(NH4)2Ce(NO3)6
Mol. 548,23 g/mol
Density - g/cm3
Sol. 141 g in 100ml H2O at 25°C
M.P 107°C
B.P -
Ammonium Dichromate
(NH4)2Cr2O7
Mol. 252,07 g/mol
Density 2,15 g/cm3
Sol. 36 g in 100ml H2O at 20°C
M.P 180°C -explosive decomposition
B.P
Ammonium Bismuth Citrate
NH4(BiOH)C6H5O7
Mol. 433,12 g/mol
Density - g/cm3
Sol. - g in 100ml H2O at 20°C
M.P -
B.P -
Ammonium Citrate
NH3 * (C6H8O7)2
Mol. 226,19 g/mol
Density 1,48 g/cm3
Sol. - g in 100ml H2O at 20°C
M.P -
B.P -
Ammonium Chromate
(NH4)2CrO4
Mol. 152,07 g/mol
Density - g/cm3
Sol. 34 g in 100ml H2O at 20°C
M.P -
B.P -
Ammonium Oleate
(NH4)C18H3302
Mol. 299 g/mol
Density g/cm3
Sol. g in 100ml H2O at 20°C
M.P
B.P
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Dont kinow where you are from kazaa but in my area they seel huge bags of ammonium sulfate at garden suplly centers. I merely dissolve as much as
possible in boiling water, filter pout crap, and let the solution cool until I get white needle like crystals. The sulfate is pretty versatile. It
gives the ammonium chlorate with potassium chlorate and can precipitate barium from its solutions leaving the ammonium salt in solution. Ammonium
carboionate can be made by heating CaCO3 with Ammonium Sulfate also.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by chloric1
It gives the ammonium chlorate with potassium chlorate |
...Isn't NH4ClO3 more soluble than KClO3 or if you typoed, KClO4?
Tim
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ammonium carbonate - bubble carbon dioxide into ammonia solution
ammonium chloride - bubble chlorine into ammonia solution
and so on and so forth....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jimmyboy
ammonium chloride - bubble chlorine into ammonia solution
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I'm hoping you mean bubble hydrogen choride into ammonia. Chlorine will give NCl3
Never accept that which can be changed.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jimmyboy
ammonium carbonate - bubble carbon dioxide into ammonia solution
ammonium chloride - bubble chlorine into ammonia solution
and so on and so forth.... |
Please don't do the latter without thinking! You'll end up getting chloramine, a very dangerous and carcinogenic gas. If lots of chlorine
are bubbled through such a solution, you may even get NCl3, but most likely long before that point is reached, you'll have left the room, due to
the unbearable stench of NH2Cl.
NH2Cl definitely is not similar to NH4Cl!!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 12AX7
| Quote: | Originally posted by chloric1
It gives the ammonium chlorate with potassium chlorate |
...Isn't NH4ClO3 more soluble than KClO3 or if you typoed, KClO4?
Tim |
Yes tim you are right ammonium chlorate is more soluble. That is exactly my point. Potassium chlorate is relativley slightly soluble in the cold but
in hot water the dissolution in quite consdierable. When the proper molar proportions of ammonium sulfate and potassium chlorate are mixed and enough
hot water is added to dissolve, all four ions are mixed. It is therefore good to concentrate VERY carefully until a slurry is formed and a large
volume of alcohol is added to precipitate the potassium sulfate as the ammonium chlorate is easily alchohol soluble. This is from the "Handbook
of Preparative Inorganic Chemistry" by Brauer. It is the initial setup for barium chlorate preparation.
I have not physically tried this in fear of potential expolision hazards but I think I could slightly modify the process to make it marginally safer.
There is a US patent from September 2003 about making alkaline chlorate from ammonium chlorate that is obtained from sodium chlorate, ammonia, and
carbon dioxide. this would precipitate baking soda and leave ammonium chlorate in solution. Being sodium chlorate is not always easy to come by I
might do the more dnagerous ammonium sulfate process and add a little aqua ammonia to retard acid production. Sulfates + Chlorates BAD!!
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Does anyone have a ferric ammonium citrate preparation?
It's an interesting compound that is fluorescent (glow).
Any other exotic/interesting ammonium compound?
I've heard which the reaction between a barium salt and an ammonium one is so endotermic that the water in which the 2 salts are dissolved will
frozen!
Ammonium fans!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by kazaa81
Does anyone have a ferric ammonium citrate preparation?
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I'm not sure if this'll help, but it might:
http://www.grokfood.com/regulations/184.1296.htm
[Page 502-503]
TITLE 21--FOOD AND DRUGS
CHAPTER I--FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN
SERVICES (CONTINUED)
PART 184--DIRECT FOOD SUBSTANCES AFFIRMED AS GENERALLY RECOGNIZED AS SAFE--Table of Contents
Subpart B--Listing of Specific Substances Affirmed as GRAS
Sec. 184.1296 Ferric ammonium citrate.
(a) Ferric ammonium citrate (iron (III) ammonium citrate) is
prepared by the reaction of ferric hydroxide with citric acid, followed
by treatment with ammonium hydroxide, evaporating, and drying. The
resulting product occurs in two forms depending on the stoichiometry of
the initial reactants.
(1) Ferric ammonium citrate (iron (III) ammonium citrate, CAS Reg.
No. 1332-98-5) is a complex salt of undetermined structure composed of
16.5 to 18.5 percent iron, approximately 9 percent ammonia, and 65
percent citric acid and occurs as reddish brown or garnet red scales or
granules or as a brownish-yellowish powder.
(2) Ferric ammonium citrate (iron (III) ammonium citrate, CAS Reg.
No. 1333-00-2) is a complex salt of undetermined structure composed of
14.5 to 16 percent iron, approximately 7.5 percent ammonia, and 75
percent citric acid and occurs as thin transparent green scales, as
granules, as a powder, or as transparent green crystals.
(b) The ingredients meet the specifications of the Food Chemicals
Codex, 3d Ed. (1981), pp. 116-117 (Ferric ammonium citrate, brown) and
p. 117 (Ferric ammonium citrate, green), which is incorporated by
reference. Copies are available from the National Academy Press, 2101
Constitution Ave. NW., Washington, DC 20418, or available for inspection
at the Office of the Federal Register, 800 North Capitol Street, NW.,
suite 700, Washington, DC 20408.
[[Page 503]]
(c) In accordance with Sec. 184.1(b)(1), the ingredients are used in
food as nutrient supplements as defined in Sec. 170.3(o)(20) of this
chapter, with no limitation other than current good manufacturing
practice. The ingredients may also be used in infant formula in
accordance with section 412(g) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic
Act (the act) (21 U.S.C. 350a(g)) or with regulations promulgated under
section 412(a)(2) of the act (21 U.S.C. 350a(a)(2)).
(d) Prior sanctions for these ingredients different from the uses
established in this section do not exist or have been waived.
[53 FR 16864, May 12, 1988]
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Thank you, darkblade!
Maybe this will help a little about information, not in preparation...the fact which it's structure isn't yet well known is interesting!
Ferric Ammonium Citrate (also called: ammonium ferric citrate, iron ammonium citrate)
Fe(NH4)3(C6H5O7)2
CAS # 1185-57-5
Ammonium Bromide
NH4Br
CAS # 12124-97-9
Mol. 98,98 g/mol
Density 2,43 g/cm3
M.P -
B.P 425°C - sublimation
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| Quote: | Originally posted by kazaa81
Thank you, darkblade!
Maybe this will help a little about information, not in preparation...the fact which it's structure isn't yet well known is interesting!
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(a) Ferric ammonium citrate (iron (III) ammonium citrate) is
prepared by the reaction of ferric hydroxide with citric acid, followed
by treatment with ammonium hydroxide, evaporating, and drying. The
resulting product occurs in two forms depending on the stoichiometry of
the initial reactants.
I tried that method once (took some iron, put it as both cathode and anode in a solution of NaCl and proceeded to run 9V through it to obtain the gray
iron hydroxide (some of it oxidized at the water surface to Fe2O3, but that's besides the point).
Upon throwing in some citric acid (notice the "precise" measurements) and pouring in ~ 100 mL of ammonium hydroxide (just your normal
regular kind, nothing concentrated), I got a dark brown liquid.
I didn't bother recrystallizing it though, but the procedure seems to work.
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How can FeCl3 be (brown-red) prepared?
If one dissolve Fe in HCl, the yield is FeCl2 (green).
FeCl2 (green) + sodium hypochlorite ----> FeCl3?
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Simply bubbling air through the mix should work. I know that this works in oxidizing copper to copper II.
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Idunno, the FeCl2 solution I've had sitting out for weeks has a rusty skin on it but damned if the solution ain't turning from green to
brown.
If you don't want anything else in solution, TCCA would be a good idea.
Tim
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| Quote: | Originally posted by kazaa81
How can FeCl3 be (brown-red) prepared?
If one dissolve Fe in HCl, the yield is FeCl2 (green).
FeCl2 (green) + sodium hypochlorite ----> FeCl3?
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This might work, since the addition of the hypochlorite to the acid will liberate Cl2 gas, and for sure, using Cl2 gas will easily make the FeCl2
--> FeCl3...but then there is the issue of safety, and how effective this actually is.
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I will try it....
If it works, everything would go fine!
Has anyone experience about this or ideas to post?
Ammonium fans!
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Hello
Kazza81:
Could you add the uses of each ammonium compounds for those who don't know?
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I will add them as soon as possible...
I have recently discovered a thing:
in Italy press is PARTIALLY free, as Mongolia or other 3rd world natons. Now, say if this is possible this for a nation like Italy....... thank you,
b3rlusconi!
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Most of ammonium compounds are used as fertilizer...
Ammonium Cerium (IV) Nitrate - oxidising agent
Ammonium Chloride - batteries, soldering wash, finland's salmiakki
Ammonium Nitrate - fertilizer, explosive mixtures
Ammonium Sulphate - fertilizer
Ammonium Dihydrogen Phosphate
(NH4)H2PO4
Mol. 115,03 g/mol
Density 1,80 g/cm3
Sol. 37g in 100ml H2O at 20°C
M.P 190°C
B.P -
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...(NH4)H2PO4 ......
The mono H form of this orthophosphate is quite interesting..
(NH4)2HPO4
CRC says it decomposes 155deg and soluble in water 57.5g/100g at 10deg.
Got over a kilo of the fine dust like yellow powder out of a fire extinguisher that has only monoammonium phosphate listed as an ingredient. There
must be some other component added to this stuff because this is what was observed in an attempt to make some phosphoric acid.
First off this stuff won't dissolve in water to any appreciable extent even at the boiling point. It's so fine and floats so I ground it
under hot water stirred it for hours with a 1000rpm magnet and no luck dissolving any noticable amount in the water.
OK so now I try acid and finally determine nope concentrated Sulfuric or HCl ain't working either. This was after trying different dilutions.
Being frustrated by this time I decided to just decompose the shit with some heat so into a flask immersed in a 200deg oil bath it goes.
Finally got the oil to the smoke point trying to melt/decompose this wonderful substance and nothing happened.
In desperation (lol) I place some fresh few grams in a stainless steel beaker and put over the propane burner. After 10minutes as hot as the damn
burner would get it finally it sort of gells and gets viscous but no ammonia evolution. I even melted some NaOH with it some time later and after the
cool goo dried
a couple days it still didn;t dissolve in water.
Strange stuff indeed. No wonder its sprayed on fires.
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I've had similar problems with MAP; the powder used for extinguishers has a metallic sterate added to repel water and prevent caking - which also
prevents is dissolving in anything aqueous.
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