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[*] posted on 7-2-2015 at 14:15


blogfast25: 1.1927 <> 1.163. You have proven that contraction has occurred. The correct value for the number of grams of NaCl for 100 mL of 10% solution at 20C is 10.71, not 10.53. Your answer would create a 9.845% solution.
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[*] posted on 7-2-2015 at 14:58


Quote: Originally posted by Magpie  
Quote: Originally posted by Yttrium2  

will this type of math be included in general chemistry 2?


Yes. It should have been in general chemistry 1.

[Edited on 7-2-2015 by Magpie]

It should have been in high school.
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[*] posted on 7-2-2015 at 15:22


Quote: Originally posted by Yttrium2  
So if one wanted 100mL of 10% NaCl w/w% how would this be done


One approach: Dissolve 11g NaCl in 99g H2O. The resulting solution will be a little more than 100mL. Transfer 100mL into a 100mL volumetric flask. Works as long as both the NaCl and the H2O are at ambient temperature.

If you want to create exactly 100mL of the solution, and need to know how much NaCl you will need, then you must first specify the temperature, and then determine the density of the solution at the target concentration and temperature. Assuming 20C, then the link I provided above should lead you to tables that show that a 10% w/w solution of NaCl at 20C has a density of 1.071. 100mL of a solution with this density will weigh 107.1g. 10% of 107.1g = 10.71g. Make sure you do this with everything at 20C.
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[*] posted on 7-2-2015 at 16:04


Quote: Originally posted by DistractionGrating  
Quote: Originally posted by Yttrium2  
So if one wanted 100mL of 10% NaCl w/w% how would this be done

One approach: Dissolve 11g NaCl in 99g H2O. The resulting solution will be a little more than 100mL. Transfer 100mL into a 100mL volumetric flask. Works as long as both the NaCl and the H2O are at ambient temperature.


This is the same way I proposed upthread. You have just done it more elegantly, disposing of any need for algebra.

This method eliminates any need to worry about volume changes with mixing, SpGs, temperature, etc. I use this method regularly when doing syntheses.




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[*] posted on 7-2-2015 at 18:11


Quote: Originally posted by DistractionGrating  
blogfast25: 1.1927 <> 1.163. You have proven that contraction has occurred. The correct value for the number of grams of NaCl for 100 mL of 10% solution at 20C is 10.71, not 10.53. Your answer would create a 9.845% solution.


While your point is correct it's also bit literalist: how often would one want to prepare a nominal 10 % and how often a 10.0 % solution? So for most purposes it's not a "rather large and quite false assumption".

I like your idea of using a VF but in most cases VFs would be used to create solutions of precise molarity rather than precise w%.

Using the densities as listed it's of course also possible to algebraically calculate the precise amounts for any really accurate w%.





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[*] posted on 7-2-2015 at 18:49


Magpie: I agree.

blogfast25: The use of the VF was just to meet the 100mL requirement. I'll retract the words "rather large and".
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[*] posted on 8-2-2015 at 01:12


Using densities is possible, but it does add extra margins of error. If you check tables of physical properties you shouldn't be surprised to find minute variations, and depending on the required accuracy it can make a difference. As a general rule weights should be weighed if accuracy is required. DistractionGratings approach is the best IMHO.
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