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Strontium as a dietary supplement
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I've read (on Wikipedia) that Sr supplements increase bone density, and aid bone growth. There are no listed side-effects, however, the article also
says: "Strontium is used in scientific studies of neurotransmitter release in neurons. Like calcium, strontium facilitates synaptic vesicle fusion
with the synaptic membrane. But, unlike calcium, strontium causes asynchronous vesicle fusion."
Does this mean that when you take the supplements you will get some neurological problems? Can anybody explain this a little more?
What do you personally think about Sr supplementation?
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Under certain highly specific circumstances, substituting strontium (for Ca++) may be appropriate. One such occurrence, a neutron bomb explosion.
But doubt the strontium would save you there. Iodine is typically used to substitute in our glands for the radioactive iodine. KI typically.
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Quote: Originally posted by SM2  | | Under certain highly specific circumstances, substituting strontium (for Ca++) may be appropriate. One such occurrence, a neutron bomb explosion.
But doubt the strontium would save you there. Iodine is typically used to substitute in our glands for the radioactive iodine. KI typically.
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But it is normally sold as a dietary supplement, recommended dose is 600mg per day. IMO, if it was really so dangerous to one's nervous system, it
wouldn't be sold as a dietary supplement.
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Taking strontium suppliments wont save you from nuclear strontium, your body is likely just going to keep taking in strontium if it's there to replace
calcium.
I'd keep your dosage low.
Then again, supposing it really was all that excellent, why do companies always sell calcium suppliments for bone disorders and general bone health
instead of strontium? Lack of research, larger cost of Sr or just because they make money off the status quo?
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| Quote: Originally posted by Tdep | Taking strontium suppliments wont save you from nuclear strontium, your body is likely just going to keep taking in strontium if it's there to replace
calcium.
I'd keep your dosage low.
Then again, supposing it really was all that excellent, why do companies always sell calcium suppliments for bone disorders and general bone health
instead of strontium? Lack of research, larger cost of Sr or just because they make money off the status quo? |
OK, let's exclude a nuclear explosion.
And the companies sell Ca because it is more common and it occurs normally in the bones at high levels, while there is a very low amount of Sr.
General public would not buy Sr supplements because of chemophobia, or because of not enough "propaganda" or whatever... For comparison, in the TV
they always put advertisments like "BUY THIS PRODUCT, IT CONTAINS CALCIUM WHICH IS HEALTHY FOR YOUR BONEZ" etc.
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Strontium replaces calcium in the bones over a longer period of time if taken as dietary supplement
I have read it also stimulates bone cells to add more minerals and increase bone mineral density
About side effects? Who knows for long term
Its usually older people anyway
If you want to improve bmd then just lift weights 3 times per week
Upper lower upper lower split
I bet you will not get osteoporosis that way
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| Quote: Originally posted by Random | Strontium replaces calcium in the bones over a longer period of time if taken as dietary supplement
I have read it also stimulates bone cells to add more minerals and increase bone mineral density
About side effects? Who knows for long term
Its usually older people anyway
If you want to improve bmd then just lift weights 3 times per week
Upper lower upper lower split
I bet you will not get osteoporosis that way |
I do lift weights, I was just asking about strontium's helath effects because it's unclear to me (especially the effect on the neural system).
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| Quote: Originally posted by Adas | | Quote: Originally posted by Random | Strontium replaces calcium in the bones over a longer period of time if taken as dietary supplement
I have read it also stimulates bone cells to add more minerals and increase bone mineral density
About side effects? Who knows for long term
Its usually older people anyway
If you want to improve bmd then just lift weights 3 times per week
Upper lower upper lower split
I bet you will not get osteoporosis that way |
I do lift weights, I was just asking about strontium's helath effects because it's unclear to me (especially the effect on the neural system).
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That's good since it has many health benefits. By the way, seriously, I think you don't even need it. Just get calcium.
Because I'm sure as hell this guy has some strong bones and certainly didn't take strontium at all.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Random |
That's good since it has many health benefits. By the way, seriously, I think you don't even need it. Just get calcium.
Because I'm sure as hell this guy has some strong bones and certainly didn't take strontium at all.
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I need it because I have low muscle volume  And I believe I have enough
calcium. That guy in the picture must have really good genetics.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Adas | | Quote: Originally posted by Random |
That's good since it has many health benefits. By the way, seriously, I think you don't even need it. Just get calcium.
Because I'm sure as hell this guy has some strong bones and certainly didn't take strontium at all.
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I need it because I have low muscle volume And I believe I have enough
calcium. That guy in the picture must have really good genetics. |
Maybe you are just skinny  If you ate 500 calorie surplus for a week while lifting
for like 3 times per week (8-12 repetition range, 3-4 sets per exercise, 4-5 exercises per day) you would gain like 1 pound of mostly muscle tissue,
some fat and water weight.
If you don't eat correctly, you won't gain any muscle. Strontium wont help, but 1g of protein per pound of lean body mass will.
Good luck
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| Quote: Originally posted by Random | Maybe you are just skinny If you ate 500 calorie surplus for a week while lifting
for like 3 times per week (8-12 repetition range, 3-4 sets per exercise, 4-5 exercises per day) you would gain like 1 pound of mostly muscle tissue,
some fat and water weight.
If you don't eat correctly, you won't gain any muscle. Strontium wont help, but 1g of protein per pound of lean body mass will.
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Thanks for your reply. Yes, I am skinny, even though I eat more than enough, my body always burns the excess energy somehow. In some cases, I am able to eat like 1kg of meat + 0.5kg of other stuff at once.
I am gaining, but very very slowly, you know.
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I personally believe that the best way to eat (like frequent snacking, eating proteins separately from carbohydrates, etc.) all of which has been
studied and explained (digestive enzymes working their best, etc.) is all obvious if one accepts that after a 100,000 plus years of eating that the
old way is the best course for the body. I recall hearing of a study to prove that an enriched mineral drink was better than plain water when
dehydated. Well, guess what, the water won. Why? Because, I would speculate, when caveman were exhausted from running (many causes), the only thing
they had access to was water from a stream, so plain water is best assimilated by the body when dehydrated.
Now, what does this have to do with Sr supplements? I would not consume more Sr than is normally consumed by eating a diet rich in grains, fresh fruit
and vegetables.
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I have to agree that taking a strontium supplement does not seem wise, other than in tiny amounts, similar to that from food sources. It is toxic in
large does, and I have never seen any indication that it is a needed mineral. As the article below points out, lead is also absorbed and replaces
calcium in bones, but that does not seem to make it healthy either. Since no one has studied long term effects of strontium, other than in
radioactive forms (they are bad), it seems unwise to just start testing yourself, unless you are in a controlled scientific study where the results
will be useful to others.
from: http://www.metadocs.com/pdf/pp_strontium.pdf
A Trace Mineral without Deficiency Concerns
The effect of strontium on bone is likely related to its similarity to calcium, a mineral with a known biological value. Strontium is structurally
similar to calcium and can replace calcium in the bone mineral matrix. A key difference is that calcium (as an essential nutrient) is homeostatically
controlled, while strontium is not. Strontium is not alone as a mineral with “bone seeking” activity.7 Lead is well
absorbed from the gut, is incorporated into bone, and increases bone density.8 Lead, of course, is also a natural element found in the soil, yet does
not have a biological role in human health.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Dr.Bob | I have to agree that taking a strontium supplement does not seem wise, other than in tiny amounts, similar to that from food sources. It is toxic in
large does, and I have never seen any indication that it is a needed mineral. As the article below points out, lead is also absorbed and replaces
calcium in bones, but that does not seem to make it healthy either. Since no one has studied long term effects of strontium, other than in
radioactive forms (they are bad), it seems unwise to just start testing yourself, unless you are in a controlled scientific study where the results
will be useful to others.
from: http://www.metadocs.com/pdf/pp_strontium.pdf
A Trace Mineral without Deficiency Concerns
The effect of strontium on bone is likely related to its similarity to calcium, a mineral with a known biological value. Strontium is structurally
similar to calcium and can replace calcium in the bone mineral matrix. A key difference is that calcium (as an essential nutrient) is homeostatically
controlled, while strontium is not. Strontium is not alone as a mineral with “bone seeking” activity.7 Lead is well
absorbed from the gut, is incorporated into bone, and increases bone density.8 Lead, of course, is also a natural element found in the soil, yet does
not have a biological role in human health. |
But when it is not well tested, why do they sell it on the internet?
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have you seen some of the crap people can claim and sell on the internet.
they cant put anything online that isnt true. I have a set of magnet finger rings and a copper necklace that will allow me to live to 200yrs.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Bot0nist | have you seen some of the crap people can claim and sell on the internet.
they cant put anything online that isnt true. I have a set of magnet finger rings and a copper necklace that will allow me to live to 200yrs.
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Yeah, but this is on PureBulk. They have many good products. And while scrolling, I found Strontium carbonate.
I am confused :|
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