Sciencemadness Discussion Board
Not logged in [Login ]
Go To Bottom

Printable Version  
Author: Subject: Nitric acid alternative
APO
National Hazard
****




Posts: 627
Registered: 28-12-2012
Location: China Lake
Member Is Offline

Mood: Refluxing

[*] posted on 14-2-2013 at 11:39
Nitric acid alternative


Sodium Bisulfate can be used like sulfuric acid for lots of things and I'ts much safer to store than sulfuric acid, anything like that to replace nitric acid.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
AndersHoveland
Hazard to Other Members, due to repeated speculation and posting of untested highly dangerous procedures!
*****




Posts: 1986
Registered: 2-3-2011
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 14-2-2013 at 14:56


It depends what reaction you want to use it for...

For performing nitrations, there is anhydrous copper(II) nitrate. Nearly impossible to find though, almost always sold in the form of its non-reactive hydrate.

You can however just mix Cu(NO3)2 hydrate with acetic anhydride, under what is known as Menke conditions.

Anhydrous magnesium nitrate is also a very powerful dehydrating agent, it can be used to pull out the water out of dilute nitric acid to concentrate it past its azeotropic boiling point.

Just to point out the obvious, neither of these two reactive anhydrous salts can be prepared by merely heating their respective hydrates. Heating results in decomposition before their water of hydration is eleminated.

Anhydrous aluminum trinitrate is also very acidic and oxidizing. It is prepared by reacting AlCl3 with NO2, using liquified SO2 as the solvent.

[Edited on 14-2-2013 by AndersHoveland]




I'm not saying let's go kill all the stupid people...I'm just saying lets remove all the warning labels and let the problem sort itself out.
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
APO
National Hazard
****




Posts: 627
Registered: 28-12-2012
Location: China Lake
Member Is Offline

Mood: Refluxing

[*] posted on 14-2-2013 at 15:28


What about anyhydrous strontium nitrate?
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Simbani
Hazard to Self
**




Posts: 50
Registered: 12-12-2012
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 14-2-2013 at 15:57


Another option is C(NO2)4 , but i advise you not to think about using that.. But i don´t think someone here can get this stuff and if yes, he wouldn´t handle it without a glovebox.
Just get a nitrate and everything is good.

[Edited on 15-2-2013 by Simbani]




View user's profile View All Posts By User
woelen
Super Administrator
*********




Posts: 8027
Registered: 20-8-2005
Location: Netherlands
Member Is Offline

Mood: interested

[*] posted on 14-2-2013 at 23:28


Quote: Originally posted by APO  
What about anyhydrous strontium nitrate?
No, this is not reactive at all at lower temperatures. This is because it is a purely ionic nitrate, just like KNO3, NaNO3, Ca(NO3)2 and many others.



The art of wondering makes life worth living...
Want to wonder? Look at https://woelen.homescience.net
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
blue_vitriol
Harmless
*




Posts: 11
Registered: 28-12-2012
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 16-2-2013 at 06:42


The nitrate ion has a charge of negative one, so there is no such thing as a binitrate ion if that's what you're asking.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
APO
National Hazard
****




Posts: 627
Registered: 28-12-2012
Location: China Lake
Member Is Offline

Mood: Refluxing

[*] posted on 16-2-2013 at 08:49


No, that's not what I'm asking.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
APO
National Hazard
****




Posts: 627
Registered: 28-12-2012
Location: China Lake
Member Is Offline

Mood: Refluxing

[*] posted on 16-2-2013 at 13:39


So, how would I use the anyhydrous copper nitrate to replace nitric acid?
View user's profile View All Posts By User
APO
National Hazard
****




Posts: 627
Registered: 28-12-2012
Location: China Lake
Member Is Offline

Mood: Refluxing

[*] posted on 16-2-2013 at 13:45


Also if I add anhydrous copper nitrate to nitric acid, can it break the azetrope?
View user's profile View All Posts By User

  Go To Top