Sciencemadness Discussion Board
Not logged in [Login ]
Go To Bottom

Printable Version  
Author: Subject: Acetic acid-D4 is toxic?
7-cartridge
Harmless
*




Posts: 9
Registered: 13-11-2011
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 17-11-2011 at 00:23
Acetic acid-D4 is toxic?


The fluoroacetic acid is a TCA cycle inhibitor and is a extremely toxic.

On the other hand, will acetic acid-D4 or acetic acid-D3 be toxic?
Does deuterium isotope effect happen?
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Adas
National Hazard
****




Posts: 711
Registered: 21-9-2011
Location: Slovakia
Member Is Offline

Mood: Sensitive to shock and friction

[*] posted on 17-11-2011 at 01:03


Probably yes, but not much. It will be either metabolised to some fat IIRC, or secreted. The toxicity stands on fact, that D-isotopes are less reactive than H-isitopes.
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
phlogiston
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1379
Registered: 26-4-2008
Location: Neon Thorium Erbium Lanthanum Neodymium Sulphur
Member Is Offline

Mood: pyrophoric

[*] posted on 17-11-2011 at 12:55


The acetic acid is much more toxic itself than the deuterium.
You would have to give enormous quantities of deuterated acetic acid for the toxicity to become significant.
To resolve a metabolic pathway, I have recently had to do an experiment where mice were fed Deuterium oxide (heavy water). When their drinking water supply contained >40% of heavy water, they lost weight over time, which is usually a clear sign that their health is affected. There are published experiments were mice were fed even more, and at high concentrations it will actually kill them.

The mechanism is not exactly clear, but the difference in hydrogen-bond strength may be involved. Hydrogen bonding plays an important part in the mechanism of many enzymes. Some papers suggest that high percentages of deuterium interfere with mitosis, and for this reason D2O has been tested as a potential anti-cancer drug.
It is unlikely that the D4-acetic will interfere with the TCA cycle signicantly. Stable-isotope (and unstable isotope) labels have actually been extensively used to resolve this (and other) pathways.

[Edited on 17-11-2011 by phlogiston]




-----
"If a rocket goes up, who cares where it comes down, that's not my concern said Wernher von Braun" - Tom Lehrer
View user's profile View All Posts By User

  Go To Top