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Quote: Originally posted by azo  | I no there is proberly enough polls on this site ,but there is on thing that i am curious about is how many of the members on this site are females.
And it would be interesting to me to see if females are as interested in chemistry as males.
Or maybe when you add your user name you could add m or f at the end .
regards azo
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Females are naturaly not interested in science.
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| Quote: Originally posted by sternman318 |
I feel like most of your lengthy posts have pictures of some sort.[/rquote]
One picture it is. Me with an owl, in a school. 
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I always thought you were a girl from your name.. lol
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| Quote: Originally posted by peach | | I'm afraid the PC bubble has caused us to believe some quite large anomalies. Most girls I've met have very little genuine interest in science. I
spoke to a girl about this at university and she said she was there because her parents expected her to be. Another I spoke to answered "Meh..." when
I asked if she liked science. None of the girls I met at university on science courses did anything to do with science outside of the lectures and
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At my Uni, probably half the people doing science courses are women. I think more women are doing genetics, biology, and medical science courses, but
still half of my 3rd year organic chemistry class (which is required by those majoring in chemistry or medicinal chemistry only) are women.
My analytical lab demonstrators are both women, last year my organic lab demonstrators were women...I've had more female lab demonstrators and
supervisors than male.
The head of the first year Chemistry course at my Uni is a woman. The head of the second year Organic chemistry course is a woman. The head of the
second year Analytical chemistry course is a woman. The second year Physical Chemistry course is jointly run by a male and a female. The third year
Medicinal Chemistry course is run by a woman.
The head of the larger first year biology course is a woman. The head of the second year biochemistry course is a woman.
The technical managers for the second year Analytical chem labs are women, and the technical manager for second and third year organic chemistry
teaching labs is a woman.
I don't think my University is any sort of anomaly. The girls in my classes do science for all the same reasons men do. Because they're interested.
Because it'll lead to a career. Because they want to discover something new. Because they're ambitious.
| Quote: Originally posted by peach | | I suspect a significant percentage of girls doing the sciences now are doing it as a result of the girl power age making them think doing a subject
that was predominately studied by men is asserting some form of power, as some new form of burning their bras, and will ensure they end up being paid
the same amount as men. It is good that more girls feel able to move into science and engineering if they want to, but it is not good if they're not
genuinely passionate about it at heart. |
I'm not sure your suspicions are well-founded, peach: at least, at my Uni (which is all I can speak about), as many women do science as men. We have
as many female Honours, Masters and PhD students in all our science faculties, as we do men.
They are excellent researchers, teachers and demonstrators - if I asked my demonstrator for analytical chem if she was doing her PhD in chemistry to
assert some form of power, I'd be laughed at.
Most women I've met doing science are very hard workers, committed to achieving good experimental results, good marks, and good lab practice.
I don't know if in their hearts they are passionate or not - I don't think it matters, does it?
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Peach:
You, or your class mates or the staff (or perhaps all three) are obvoiously a big fan of the 'HIVE' as evident from the poster on the wall.
Also,
There is someone about to pick-pocket you (as you busy yourself with the wise bird)..........or is he sitting on a loo reaching from that bog roll.
(hardle  )
Dann2
[Edited on 6-8-2011 by dann2]
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My older sister is doing tons of research on west nile. She was the kind of 6 classes a semester instead of the normal 4 type of girl and it obviously
got her very far very fast. She is brilliant and completely deserving of all the funding she has gotten. She has 2 girls.
I know of a girl who occasionally goes to pyrotechnic conventions. Her father was in display fireworks I believe. I have a video of her launching a
pretty large strobe rocket that she made at PGI one year. She is pretty cool. You can imagine what her roller derby nickname is.
I chat from time to time with Spatula Tzar, she is into electronics, robotics, chemistry, light pyrotechnics, lathes, and various engineering projects
and interests. I'm not sure if she has an account here, but she most certainly has skimmed various threads here among other forums.
http://spatulatzar.com/
Dr. Kiki's is hosting a Science show / podcast. I listen to it among others on long drives.
http://twit.tv/kiki
The University I was going to was something near 60-70% women... mostly for marine biology. In my physical chemistry 2 class there were 2 girls out of
8 chem majors. One was oriental and essentially forced into it by her parents. She had very little interest or skill in it as you would expect. The
other was harder to read. She was very good at math and chemical calculations... but I never really saw her in the labs doing any directed independent
study or anything and we never really talked about if she was excited at all about it... So not really sure how much she liked it. She also didn't
have a facebook/myspace, etc... she was very protective about what information on her was out there. Many women are, and I don't blame them. Every
women's nightmare is some stalker dude randomly showing up at her house knowing everything about her... and it happens way too often. Internet forums
only make it easier.
As has been said, women and men are wired differently and generally have different social pressures and societal expectations to fill as well as
priorities, whether conscious or not. A single guy in college is probably not thinking much about a potential baby, but a single girl probably is. So
perhaps she may be careful to choose a career in which she makes enough money and has enough time for her potential children. Or it may be more
automatic and unconscious. Maybe for many chemicals == birth defects... which isn't much of a stretch really... Perhaps with all the social
commitments and pressures women just don't find as much time for such pursuits as men. I really dunno.
I may be going to the ACS National Meeting... So should probably see plenty of women there.
I think many women who are interested don't actually join the forums or discussions because of the whole, "OMG, There are no girls on the internet!,"
flock-nerd mentality. Or if they do, they do not bring up their gender.
As a side... XKCD and Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal (SMBC, NSFW) are 2 webcomics which feature women scientists frequently... and are just
awesome.
I guess any girl members can approach me for random techno-chat knowing I wont treat them like a piece of meat...
So many ideas... too few dealing with chemistry.
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| Quote: | | I guess any girl members can approach me for random techno-chat knowing I wont treat them like a piece of meat... |
'Should work - gaining their trust is important.
And you might even get the pics without having to ask . . .
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No one would send pics or such personal details on a forum discussing such borderline-illegal topics.
... and I'm not that charming anyways lol!
So many ideas... too few dealing with chemistry.
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Bees on the wall.
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When I started working there was one woman working in Chemistry out perhaps 50 people ( 20-30 years ago). Now, IN our own group, the vast majority are
women.
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How can you tell if a woman has been using the PC?
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When Looking for Love, Women Spurn Science
http://news.yahoo.com/looking-love-women-spurn-science-14200...
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So... two years later... Any changes? How many active female forum users do we have?
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well actual women gamers, and not the ones doing it just for the concentrated attention is pretty rare
another thing is women actually interested in chemistry, on my school there is one teacher in chemistry who took an education in organic chemistry
the place she was educated we were in playing around with some µ measurement pipettes and some organic stuff, seemingly +90% of them there was women,
strange??
a hobby i see the same chances of women having is pyro, although i have come across 2, 1 younger girl of unknown age and a older around 30
very related to second post in this thread
its a pretty weird thing really
riding horses isnt seen as a very masculine thing to do, so less masculine men is more prone to have that as free time activity, now there is lesbians
out there who are ... too masculine, but how come they dont have chemistry as an interest then?
i guess the next question would be.. why do kids love cinnamon toast crunch?
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Riding horses isn't considered a masculine thing? Since when is that? o_O
I wouldn't say female gamers are pretty rare. Most gamers are men, no doubt about that, but "pretty rare" is simply not true, at least not today.
Regarding lesbians, only a small fraction of them are stereotypically masculine, and from all women that look like that, probably less than a half are
lesbians.
Just think of the numbers. There are somewhat more than 10% of lesbians among the female population, and what's the amount of butch women? It's
ridiculously small.
There is a fantastically huge amount of lesbians around us and we ust can't recognize them. Vast majority of them are not less feminine than any
average heterosexual female. Analogously, the same works for the male inhabitants of this planet.
And just think of all kinds of bisexual women out there. It's an interesting thing to think about before bedtime. LOL
Anyway, I don't remember hearing anything from a known female on ScienceMadness. It's quite sad. I guess the female planetary collective had
a meeting and decided to ignore SM, being too busy making sandwiches. >
They in fact cover the vast majority of the education and, for some inexplicable reson, life sciences. However, I've noticed they quite often lack the
scientific curiosity. There are always exceptions, but this is it's mostly something else.
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Given the tenor of
this board sometimes, why would anyone bother to assert their gender, gender identity, or even sexual orientation? There's little upside to it. Don't
expect it.
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I think you all just hit the nail square on the head. Sometimes in some of the posts I've read, I would swear some were channeling their inner woman.
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After reading the last few responses, even if I were female, I would not tell that  .
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So people hide their gender around here... Interesting. It came to my mind, but I haven't expected it to be actually happening on a regular basis. I
can't differentiate gender by looking at someone writing in English. Subject pronouns are gender-neutral, as well as verbs. Most, if not all Slavic
languages use gender-specific verbs so you can instantly recognize the author's gender.
It's kind of like female scientists from hundred years ago, with their initials or pseudonyms. I disagree with that because there's no need for it.
This is an online forum and, with the expection of few stupid members and painful layout, quite a jolly good place.
Do these ladies actually think they're going to be stalked by a pile of nerds? I don't see that coming.
Come on, ladies. Nothing to be afraid of.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Endimion17 | Do these ladies actually think they're going to be stalked by a pile of nerds? I don't see that coming.
Come on, ladies. Nothing to be afraid of. |
Sadly, they would. I've witnessed this countless times in the
past.
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Fuck, that's sad. There must be really sexually suppressed people around here. Who'd say?
I'm far from a ladies man, not even handsome by today's standards, but I don't have these levels of problems.
I declare publicly - if there's a female user around here, she doesn't have to be afraid of stalking by me. 
I like to joke and mock sometimes (the sandwich jokes), but I'm really not a sexist.
So here's a funny, self made demotivational poster style mock.
I've got more. 
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Oh, for ████'s sake… "<em>This</em> is why we can't have nice things!"
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In your fourth year of secondary education in the UK, you are allowed to choose what subjects you wish to study for GCSE level. In the additional
science class, I'd say 60% of the pupils are girls, one of which is my GF, who is brilliant and science, technology and mathematics and wishes to
become a dental surgeon.
"Success is going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm." Winston Churchill
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My daughter, age 10, is naturally interested in science. She constantly thinks about things---when a car moves forward, does it push the air out of
the way? And what about the hole left in the air behind the car, what happens to it? That, and a million other questions.
And recently we have begun to work with a 17-year old girl who absolutely loves chemistry.
Any other SF Bay chemists?
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| Quote: Originally posted by 497 | | I remember seeing on a website traffic recording site (http://www.quantcast.com/sciencemadness.org) that almost a third of the traffic on this site was from females.. So either their statistics are
wrong, or the girls just don't bother posting much, or there's actually a lot more female members and they're not admitting it. Which is it?
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How do they know the visitors' and members' genders? SM don't ask for members' genders. I strongly doubt the
stats' authenticity.
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Why do people insist on reviving old inane threads such as this one constantly?
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