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Amateur chemist set off explosion near my home
So a few minutes from my house this just happened. Never heard of the guy and I cant tell if he was a serious amateur chemist or just some kewl
making flash powder. Either way what he did sounds dangerous, and there holding him without bail of charges of arson, possession of a destructive
device and unlawful explosion of a destructive device.
The article labels him as "an unskilled amateur chemist". *sigh* more reasons for people to not be happy about us...
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There should be some basic training for kewls. Rule #1: don't set your explosive off within the city limits, much less your own backyard.
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ryan knows terrorist should'nt be the only ones with blow-up know how,and so do the authorities.i'm gonna fill my computer with gay porn just in case
they confiscate my computer.
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He's 25 years old and still living with mom. Can't expect much from this flavor of kule.
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Entropy when we were 25 that would have been almost unheard of, but nowadays I don't think it is all that rare, unfortunately. At least he is
"obsessed" with chemistry instead of porn or video games.
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I have an even better rule number 1. Don't make explosives.
Subsection note: You can't develop something better than the military aged 14 with your pocket money and you do not have any realistic use for
explosives. The short amount of time you've spent reading things on the internet does not make you a bomb disposal expert. Stop watching future
weapons.
And with that in mind. Why do we have an energetics forum but no inorganics? The energetics section is kewl central. There may as well be one for 'how
to get high'. Whilst I get frustrated with the arguing at times, it's often constructive. As opposed to this.
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Quote: Originally posted by peach  | I have an even better rule number 1. Don't make explosives.
Subsection note: You can't develop something better than the military aged 14 with your pocket money and you do not have any realistic use for
explosives. The short amount of time you've spent reading things on the internet does not make you a bomb disposal expert. Stop watching future
weapons.
And with that in mind. Why do we have an energetics forum but no inorganics? The energetics section is kewl central. There may as well be one for 'how
to get high'. Whilst I get frustrated with the arguing at times, it's often constructive. As opposed to this.
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To be fair, some interesting chemistry has come out of energetics, but it is rather the exception than the rule.
Department of Redundancy Department - Now with paperwork!
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I can appreciate that it is a theoretically useful forum, particularly for people who work in an industry making blasting compounds for mining. But
the reality of what's posted on there is as bad as someone asking for a meth guide; which would go instantly in the detritus bin. Ironically, blasting
is not all that complex in terms of the explosives used, yet it is also their most practical application.
And again, why have that and no inorganics?
There seems to have been an increasing number of these incidents appearing over the last few years. I am not speaking so much of people dying related
to potentially useful home chemistry (like building an autoclave and making a mistake), but dying whilst in the process of making something that has
no practical use outside of damaging something or killing someone.
Every question related to DIY explosives in the energetics forum should be treated the same way production drug synthesis is in the organics.
When a pipe bomb does what it says on the tin
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Another pipe bomb gone wrong
| Quote: | Teen Arrested After Pipebomb Detonates In Hand
Posted: 10:57 am PDT May 3, 2010
VACAVILLE -- An 18-year-old man lost two fingers when a pipe bomb exploded in his hand over the weekend, police said Monday.
Police learned about the incident when Kaiser Hospital informed them that a man had arrived there with serious injuries caused by an explosive device,
Vacaville police Sgt. Charlie Spruill said.
Investigators determined that a group of about seven people had gathered at Centennial Park at 501 Browns Valley Road before the pipe bomb exploded
around 10:20 p.m.
Spruill said Vacaville resident Bryan Cook ignited the pipe bomb using a homemade fuse but that it exploded prematurely in his hand before he could
throw it. Cook's friends took him to the hospital.
Cook and a 17-year-old boy, also from Vacaville, were arrested on suspicion of manufacturing, transporting and possessing an explosive device, Spruill
said.
No other pipe bombs or bomb-making materials were found at the scene. |
Fone's stockpile of explosives, which killed him
Another
And another.
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(John says: This is an example from 2005 in the UK)
A chemistry student who made a homemade explosive favoured by suicide bombers has been jailed for 14 months.
Edward Mattison, 21, from Salford, was obsessed with explosives and filmed a detonation of a huge home-made bomb, Manchester Crown Court heard.
He was caught after detonating a device in his garage at his home in Worsley, Greater Manchester, on 30 May 2005.
Mattison, of Brereton Drive, admitted three charges of possessing explosive substances and one of making them.
Mattison's interest in explosives was discovered when a neighbour heard an explosion and found his garage door blown off its hinges.
He claimed it was a "big firework" but police called in the bomb squad.
Residents left their homes and a controlled explosion was carried out.
One chemical involved, known as the "Mother of Satan" (this is Acetone Peroxide) because it is dangerously unstable, was used in the
7 July London bombings and by Palestinian suicide bombers.
Had it ignited it would have killed or injured anyone in the vicinity, Gary Woodhall, prosecuting, told the court.
When police checked his computer, they found Mattison was a contributor to two websites used by amateur explosives ('energetics')
enthusiasts.
They also found a video clip showing him setting off a bomb in a deserted field by the M60 motorway which left an 8ft crater.
Officers also discovered that he had downloaded child pornography images.
'Lesson learned'
Jamie Hamilton, defending, said the child porn was accessed on only one occasion "out of curiosity".
"His only motivation was thrill-seeking and in interest in chemistry. This has been a salutary lesson to him," he said.
Mattison was jailed for 14 months, to run concurrently, on each charge of possessing an explosive substance. There was no separate penalty for the
making an explosive substance charge.
He also pleaded guilty to downloading indecent images of children, and was given a conditional discharge for two years.
Judge Adrian Lyon, sentencing, said: "Any offence involving the use or preparation of explosive material is serious.
The fact remains, material found in your bedroom was enormously dangerous to you and anyone else living in the vicinity." |
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| Quote: Originally posted by peach | | I can appreciate that it is a theoretically useful forum, particularly for people who work in an industry making blasting compounds for mining. But
the reality of what's posted on there is as bad as someone asking for a meth guide; which would go instantly in the detritus bin. Ironically, blasting
is not all that complex in terms of the explosives used, yet it is also their most practical application. |
01-02-89
[rewritten from a UPI News Wire story djh]
BETHESDA, Md. - Four teenagers described by friends as intelligent and as
having a fascination with chemistry and rocketry were tinkering with a
homemade bomb this weekend when the experiment went awry. Relatives of the
foursome described them as studious, curious and fascinated with science.
Diego S-R, who graduated from Walt Whitman High in 1988 and was close
friends with Gustasvo M. and Bruno P. described the youths as "the best
chemistry students in the school." A family friend of the Dov F. described him as
"always a brilliant child, extraordinarily brilliant." The friend speculated the young
men were planning New Year's fireworks. "(They were likely) trying to find out
how much power they could get out of mixing chemicals," Diego S-R told the
Washington Post. "They were probably going to go to some field and see how
big a hole they could make. They were peaceful people. They would never try to
hurt anybody."
The young men had made a potent pipe bomb as "a prank," but it exploded as
two of the youths were leaning over it. The youths, Samir G. 17, and Dov F. 18,
were killed instantly, 15-year-old Gustavo M. and Bruno P. 18, died hours after
the blast. Gustavo M. was a sophomore at Walt Whitman High School while the
others had graduated from the school last year.
Quid rides? Mutato nomine, de te fabula narratur.
Horace
[Why do you smile? Change the but name, and it is of yourself
that the tale is told.]
NB - The resident fools (of which there are several) here often
complain loudly when safety information is posted, dangers
are noted.
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In nature there are neither rewards nor punishments;
there are consequences.
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| Quote: Originally posted by peach | | And with that in mind. Why do we have an energetics forum but no inorganics? The energetics section is kewl central. |
I think chemistry in general serves that purpose. But I do agree we need to moderate the energetics section more. I know Rosco spent some time as
moderator there, would he or anyone else be willing to takr care of things there?
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GUYS HIS NAME WAS PHONE!!!!! PH-ONE he's dead the least we can do is remember him correctly. Added after typing the message. Thanks
be to Phone who at least took his experiment to an empty local park and not where he could end others with his accident. His wasn't a pipe bomb either
it was simply poured into a hole and fuse set. The ground made one hell of a shaped charge pointing the blast UP. Like one of the kids mentioned
already his problem was also fuse related, he ended up lighting it with a lighter directly thinking he would have time to run. NO seriously, he was
last seen leaning over the pile with his lighter.
HKparker, MAN lay SUPER low. People around you are going to be freaked right out for the next little while. We don't need one of our own making the
news.
"In October, Linn was injured as a result of a chemical explosion known as a thermite reaction. The police contacted him after that incident, but it's
unclear what action they took." Heh, no it's very clear, they had meth heads to bust not people copying mythbusters... (good cover kid, thats
a good idea).
The big problem with all of the above is making a pipe bomb... you transport that kinda thing in a plastic bag in a plastic cooler
filled with sand and it buried in the center (no metal casing PERIOD,(you also pack the charge ONSITE) use plastic or something else with less mass to
its frag, plastic film canister) and secondly you don't make quantities to make an 8 foot crater...
Sure having the knowledge to make such a compound may be useful one day but there's no reason to go overboard and see how BIG you can make it. You
need to go WAY outside any populated area just to test it. As opposed to taping it (say 20 grams MAX, even that will sever most trees) to a tree
whilst hunting and setting it off.
If these kids had working brains they would also realize Mythbusters always goto the Alameda county BOMB RANGE, not the backyard.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Regolith |
The big problem with all of the above is making a pipe bomb... you transport that kinda thing in a plastic bag in a plastic cooler
filled with sand and it buried in the center (no metal casing PERIOD,(you also pack the charge ONSITE) use plastic or something else with less mass to
its frag, plastic film canister) and secondly you don't make quantities to make an 8 foot crater... |
Indeed — Infernal devices are not chemistry — for sure not fireworks.
HURT WHILE MAKING HUGE FIRECRACKER
New York Daily News 4 July 1989
A Bronx teenager’s hands were blown off and his brother and a friend were
severely mangled when a huge firecracker they were trying to make exploded
yesterday.
The three had stuffed the powder from a number of small but powerful
firecrackers into a pipe.
They were hammering a sealing cap onto it when it blew up, sending white-hot
pieces of metal flying.
Police found several severed fingers at the scene in a basement apartment on
Bronx Park East in the Pelham Parkway section near the Bronx Zoo.
“My stupid sons! One of them lost both his hands, the other one lost a hand and
hurt his leg,” Joseph Perlmutter, superintendent of the building, told a neighbor
after the blast.
Police sealed off the building after the explosion, shortly before 7 p.m. Bomb
squad officers removed another pipe bomb.
One of the victims, Harry Perlmutter, 18, who had been holding the pipe lost both
hands in the blast, cops said.
His brother, Joesph Jr. 28, lost four fingers on his left hand and suffered leg
injuries.
A friend, Dante Bang [sic] 18, of Wallace Ave. lost an index finger on his right
hand and suffered shrapnel injuries to his groin and ankles.
Police said the three working in a 6-foot-by-14-foot bedroom in the basement
apartment, had taken about “30 to 40” powerful M-80 firecrackers apart and were
stuffing the powder into the pipe.
The three had planned to ignite the pipe today in the park across the street from
the six-story apartment building, police said.
djh
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I would paraphrase from the Homers Iliad —
The parents broke into a great cry and their relatives wailed in answer.
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‘Then Achilles stripped from him the armour that Patroklos had
worn. The other captains of the Greeks came up and looked at
Hector where he lay and all marvelled at his size and strength and
goodliness. And Achilles dragged the body at his chariot and drove
away towards the ships.
‘Hector’s mother, standing on the tower on the wall, saw all that
was done and she broke into a great cry. And all the women of
Troy took up the cry and wailed for Prince Hector who had guarded
them and theirs from the foe. Andromache, his wife, did not know
the terrible thing that had happened. She was in an inner chamber
of Hector’s house, weaving a great web of cloth and broidering it
with flowers, and she had ordered her handmaidens to heat water
for the bath, so that Hector might refresh himself when he came in
from the fight. But now she heard the wail of the women of Troy.
Fear came upon her, for she knew that such wailing was for the
best of their warriors.’
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Several issue here. The first was peroxides and a metal containment.* The second was a potent immaturity over the results and potential. Next was the
levels. With the pictures appeared to be well over a pound of God knows what. Yes: this was a tragedy and perhaps an avoidable one.
Would censorship do anything to avoid this?
Perhaps the exact opposite was one agenda that could have avoided it. Making certain materials without the sum totality of their susceptibility to
initiation may have had an effect but censorship within this forum would have only placed the knowledge elsewhere. The methodology is out there. The
safety agenda may not be. Metal containment is weapons mfg. Results from shock-wave injury, while potentially deadly have a diminished distance.
I will NOT attempt to rationalize or intellectualize the tragedy. I would suggest that censorship is not an effective response. This thread proves
that.
Unquestionably the level of energetic chemical knowledge needs to be moved to a level of a broader scope in certain posts. Occasionally that is not
possible due to the intellectual laziness of some who don't move beyond the "recipe" phase of the subject.
In a great many posts there are responses questioning the appropriateness of the subject focus. The DETRITUS section is rather large, as are closed
threads. The mods do the best they can.
Knocking down the "energetic" or biochem" sections will not stop tragedies or drug manufacture; there are too many sources and in a free society:
there always will be.
There are mid-ground interventionist methods that could be upgraded, however it's a complete unknown where the "knowledge" of this incident came from.
There have been several "safety" devoted threads. Should there be a "safety" devoted section? That would have to encompass a great deal of what should
be a standard in entry level chem education but since the dumbing-down of educational systems, I doubt that is as complete as it could be.
"This is poison, don't ingest it and this is explosive, don't work with it" doesn't provide the answers to the curiosity that thrives in many people.
* Think through the tragedies. What explosive does not require a primary? What configuration can be lethal quite a few meters from blast origin?
Containment of peroxides.
What material can be mfg with hair bleach acetone & many acids? What takes an absolute minimum to synthesis? What standards allow the total
over-shadowing of chemistry safety to concoct? A recipe-type agenda w/ peroxides in containment or contact proximity.
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I know this may not be a popular position among the young ones who love blowin' stuff real good and the kewls, but i've always been weary of the
contents in the Energetic Materials forum and I have been debating its relevance.
I understand that it's fun experimenting with that kind of stuff and that there are legitimate uses of chemistry to make Energetic Materials like the
preparation of components for fireworks and thermite soldering. But when dumb kids blow themselves up, it attracts unneeded attention on all of us,
and let's face it, it's already a remarkable feat just to acquire a few pieces of glassware and a few harmless chemicals for some of us around here.
But I do appreciate that the forum keepers have a low tolerance for dumb young kewls with a post count of one and paranoid redneck militia freaks
discussing about how to make dangerous explosives, and I commend their effort to keep these unsavory individuals away from this place, but I think it
should be even more strict. Frankly, what is the purpose of making PETN? ...or Nitroglycerin? why? Just because it can be done?
There's the APC forum to discuss about such stuff, and even there, the talk revolves more about making colorful stars for fireworks than about making
pipe bombs and dangerous chemicals. I firmly believe that dangerous experiments with dangerous chemicals should be best kept in the hands of
experienced chemists. Most people around here experiment with stuff that's up to their level of comfort and aren't daredevils when it comes to home
chemistry. But young adolescents in need of adrenalin and pressed by pier pressure don't have that filter unfortunately. It looks kewl, until digits
are missing and lives are lost!
My dad had a saying that a teenage kid's IQ decreases exponentially with the number of friends accompanying him... Yeah, I know kids learn through
experience, but that's not the kind of experience that they should be exposed to or have access to...
Oh well, just my 2 cents...
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The Energetics Materials section does have a lot of problem posts. Please use the "Report" button on seeing one.
I weep at the sight of flaming acetic anhydride.
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A simple answer to the censorship issue is, do you think it would be harder or easier for meth / pcp / heroin cooks to brew it up if they were getting
a to b to c help from a forum like this? Where they can feel more confident in what they're doing knowing it's coming from people who have studied
chemistry and do it all the time for fun. A significant number of the people trying to make drugs have a very poor understanding of what they're
doing, and don't understand the 'technojargin' being discussed in the potentially drug related threads on here due to the complexity involved. The
threads are essentially censored already, by the level of prior knowledge needed to understand the science 'gibberish'.
Whilst drugs have resulted in people doing some terrible things, they have also resulted in a number of positive things; a lot of well known poets,
musicians, artists and so on were either stoners, drunks, opium fiends or high in some way or another. I can't think of anything positive making high
explosives at home can achieve. Yet it's discussion here is being treated much less stringently.
A safety section for explosives would be like having a 'how much should I take' section for drugs.
To answer my own rhetorical question above, having spent quite a long time reading forums solely dedicated to making drugs, it would make it
exponentially easier.
| Quote: | | Frankly, what is the purpose of making PETN? ...or Nitroglycerin? why? |
Agreed. And more to the point, the level of risk is far beyond it's potential use in learning.
| Quote: | | There's the APC forum to discuss about such stuff, and even there, the talk revolves more about making colorful stars for fireworks than about making
pipe bombs and dangerous chemicals. |
Precisely. Like with drugs, the more people know, the less interested they become in the base results; getting thousands of people high, or making
something explode louder. The guys who've spent decades actually working with explosives sit around trying to figure out how to make their stars more
sparkly, or how to get more rock out of the quarry with less complexity and risk involved; inane stuff compared to a lot of high explosive discussion.
| Quote: | | I firmly believe that dangerous experiments with dangerous chemicals should be best kept in the hands of experienced chemists. |
Unfortunately, unlike the drug cooks, I suspect a lot of them think they are experienced chemists, as a lot of the explosives are not all that
difficult to make and produce a very immediate impact. In fact, one of the explosives is so easy to make I have to put effort into not making it in my
sinter funnels. Which is how they become instilled with a false sense of confidence in what they're doing.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Regolith | | HKparker, MAN lay SUPER low. People around you are going to be freaked right out for the next little while. We don't need one of our own making the
news. |
No kidding, especially because some kid lost a few fingers a few months ago from an M-80 even closer to my house... I need to be careful.
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| Quote: Originally posted by hkparker | | Quote: Originally posted by Regolith | | HKparker, MAN lay SUPER low. People around you are going to be freaked right out for the next little while. We don't need one of our own making the
news. |
No kidding, especially because some kid lost a few fingers a few months ago from an M-80 even closer to my house... I need to be careful.
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Agreed, definitely. You might want to consider holding off on the silicon thermite for a bit, that sulfur smell could draw some attention. Really sad
that we have to tip-toe around with our hobby just because some people are idiots and their mistakes are very public.
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Indeed. I'd be tempted to do some experiments outside, especially stuff that evolves chlorine gas or HCl, butI wouldn't dare put my labware on my
balcony because it would surely attract the attention of all my neighbors. a total of 30 condos around my backstreet have a direct view of my
balcony!!!
So I keep noxious experiments very simple in a mason jar in a bucket and use discretion best I can when I do experiment. If anyone asks questions,
like it once happened, a while ago, i say "Oh, well I'm brewing my own beer and wine, and I prepare the stuff needed myself".
But yeah, it's getting hard to do pretty much anything!
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The Energetic Materials section is not going anywhere.
There may be no real point in making PETN. But is there a real point in making SO<sub>3</sub>? Or HF? We do it because we enjoy it.
Energetic materials are what got me into chemistry. I can't speak for Polverone or vulture, but I know our shared interest in energetics led to us
meeting and this site being founded. Sciencemadness was to be, and remains today, a place where anything related to chemistry may be
discussed.
Unfortunately Energetic Materials is currently overrun with garbage. It isn't meant to be for banging out recipes with baseball mitts, though to the
casual reader it may appear so. I and the other moderators don't have the time to read every post on this forum - which is why I urge members to
report problem posts. However, I'm not inviting the "Report" button to be used as a forum policy complaint hotline. If someone can write about PETN
like a scientist, it isn't out of line, and please don't flood us with complaints about forum policy in response. But if they're talking about
leveling buildings, firearms, etc. or their writing is garbled or inflammatory and the information lacking in quality, I will take action.
I weep at the sight of flaming acetic anhydride.
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Yesterday when I went out to check the mail my car was blocked by 20 cars, trucks, hazmat vehicle, and around 30 various and sundry LEO. They were
raiding a meth lab 50 feet from my place. I walked up to one and said "do you think I will be able to get out anytime soon?". No of course, I had the
best parking area around. They were hauling out black bags, doing onsite chemical tests, you name it. Was 12 hours before it all cleared away and I
could get my car out. The area for blocks around had a strong ether odor. The people had lived there for 2 months and until that day I had never
noticed a chemical smell of any kind. The two things which bothered me most was what I would be going through if they had looked at my lab. Mostly
high energy physics but you know how ignorant they are. Anything scientific looking being noticed would have landed me in a shit-storm I am sure. The
other was the place was close enough to me to have burned up everything I owned had their place gone up. While some here may be sympathetic to drug
making had I known I would have made good use of my 50 cal Desert Eagle Action Express on the cooks. They get no sympathy from me. What right did they
have to endanger my safety and property let alone my anonymity for my lawful experimenting.
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We need to make sure we keep perspective on the greater issue. We can't all stop and/or turn away anytime something like this happens. The foolish of
the world will find places other than here to blow themselves up on.
At the moment we have no people exploding themselves here. This was someone who from his own admission was copying mythbusters (probably taping it to
show how much more amazing than a million dollar show he was).
The best we can do is continue the way this board already does. No swimming, no feeding the cooks. Use real science instead of shortcuts. Anything
that needs proper equipment, is going to take that whole project out of the hands of pretty much everyone whom it shouldn't be in. It's one thing to
OTC from scratch a complex reaction it's another to step by step someone who doesn't know it at all (and almost certainly lacks the respect for the
science).
As a footnote I mention that certain "explosives", Picric Acid for example have many uses outside of exploding. A primary way to test if one has made
such a chemical would be to test a deflagration in minute quantities. I recall several important chemical salts are made from TNT as well.
There is nothing to be done for the misguided of the world, simply carry on.
[Edited on 17-2-2011 by Regolith]
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| Quote: Originally posted by Regolith |
As a footnote I mention that certain "explosives", Picric Acid for example have many uses outside of exploding. |
The ever useful Merck Index of
Chemicals and Drugs notes:
Med. Use: Topically as antiseptic, astringent and stimulant for epithelizatrion.
Formerly intern. as anthelmintic.
Human toxicity: Local or generalized allergic reactions may occur
following topical use. Ingestion or prercutaneous absorption may
cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal pain, oliguria, anuria,
yellow staining of skin (not icterus), pruritus, skin eruptions,
stupor, convulsions, death.
Picric acid was used in what woman sit on!! A box of vaginal PA
suppositories was offered for sale on eBay a few months [now years] ago.
It's going to be hard to find amateur experimenter(s) for the above me thinks.
I remember in my long lost youth buying PA based burn ointment.
PA was used for a bunch of years as a yellow dye before anyone
noticed it was an effective explosive.
PA is used in labs to clean brass sieve screens., &c.
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Yes, there is. The latter two can be used for a lot of other things.
PETN is mainly useful for blowing things up. And I knew this was how the discussion was going to go.
The energetics forum is filled with posts about making illegal explosives.
That is directly analogous to having a forum separate from the organics for 'Drug synthesis'. The discussion of making illegal explosives has been
singled out and given it's own forum, over something as basic as inorganics.
For instance, I quickly look through the posts and find;
| Quote: | nitroglycerin
Hi guys, I'm gonna make some nitroglycerin for the first time. I've got only 65-70% concentrated HNO3 and 96-98% concentrated H2SO4. In the
megalomania's procedure they use 98% HNO3 and 98% H2SO4 in a 2:3 ratio. I wanna know if using a nitrating mixture with a different ratio of HNO3/H2SO4
I will be able to get successfully some NG. If yes what ratio of HNO3/H2SO4 should I use (with 65-70% HNO3)? Thanks for your answers
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Now let me give an analogy
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Hi, I'd like to make some drugs following messedup's guide. Am I going to be able to use ... brand of cough medicine? How should I extract it and what
ratio of iodine to phosphorus should I use?
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Why is that tolerated, let alone singled out as a topic worthy of it's own forum? A direct admission to producing things that are illegal, and clearly
going towards an illegal activity, provided it's an explosive?
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@Peach I agree that some of the talk in energetics is useless, but I dont think we should be equating illegality with meaning it shouldn't be
discussed or done. If producing iodine, phosphorus, SO3 or HF was illegal yet someone here a had a legitimate use for any of those then I dont think
their creation should be discouraged regardless of their legal state. And the same should apply to energetics, if someone has a good use for picric
acid, or even TNT, theres no need for us to throw that out. That being said we should take the same approach to energetics as organics, and at the
moment it seems like we do. Posts asking for drugs are thrown out just like the obvious kewls asking for "recipes". From what I've been told the
people at RougeSci thought of us as hard asses when it came to the matter, and I think thats good, because we dont want our energetics section to have
the same reputation as RougheSci...
Anyway... Regolith has it spot on in the end. Censorship wont stop people like the late phone from blowing something up.
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