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majortom
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Frightning chemicals on ebay
I have been working on getting paraformaldehyde, I don't really want to work with the fish tank solution. I checked on ebay and got two sources. One
is a lot cheaper, purity is not specified, but I don't think that it is much of an issue as most impurities would be left behind upon monomerization.
I was quite happy untill I saw the other reagents he was selling.
3,4-dimethoxy benzaldehyde
vanillin ethyl ether
methylenedioxy-methylhydrocinnamic aldehyde
melatonin
phthalic anhydride
p-methoxy benzaldehyde
p-methyl benzaldehyde
3-methoxy-4-ethoxy benzaldehyde
cinnamaldehyde
tryptophan
plus a few other more innocuous chemicals
Wow. I am usually not one to say this, but what is this guy thinking? Of course he doesn't go into specifics on his location, but all of these
reagents are ridiculously cheap like 25 grams for $10 cheap. I am scared to even go near this guys innocuous items. It seems a little bit too
suspicious to be real. I would never buy something like that, (I assume if you bought anything from him it looks bad by proxy) but I suppose I am
posting this because it seems so ludicrous!
Has anyone seen anything like this before, It just amazes me that its on ebay! Why would anyone buy them?
[Edited on 30-9-2010 by majortom]
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Rogeryermaw
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i have seen diethylamine and diethylamineHCl for sale on ebay...looks like a sting to me. probably trying to see who is dumb enough to buy controlled
chemicals without going through proper channels so they can make some easy busts.
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zed
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Nothing on that list is illegal to buy, possess or sell. Nor, is a permit required.
The 3,4-Methylenedioxy-Methylhydrocinnamaldehyde, ain't illegal.....But, it's pretty damn suspicious.
If you have nothing to hide, take your chances.
To sell diethylamine or any list 1 chemical, requires a license. Whosoever has such a license, must record and report their sales of listed
chemicals. A "suspicious" request must be reported pronto.
Keep in mind, that suspicion is in the eye of the beholder.
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Magic Muzzlet
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Had experience with this source.
I really only see a problem with the methylenedioxy-methylhydrocinnamic aldehyde, but so what, just dont get it. Everything else is so common with the
exception of the pure vanillin, ethyl vanillin etc. and I seriously doubt problems arising from ordering those...
They are obviously geared towards flavoring and scents. Plus some general lab chems. Just look at what other people are selling, borohydride,
3,4,5-TMBA, phosphorous acid and iodine. This source stands apart and look genuine to me. If they arent then I guess problems will be coming my way.
I say take advantage of the relatively good prices. But what do I know? 
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Chainhit222
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You are safe unless the vendor gets popped and is forced to give his manifest to the authorities 
The practice of storing bottles of milk or beer in laboratory refrigerators is to be strongly condemned encouraged
-Vogels Textbook of Practical Organic Chemistry
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Synthettek
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I've successfully purchased from this vendor, 2 seperate items, one of them being 2 units of his paraformaldehyde. they are legit, friendly and have
good communication. I wouldn't worry.
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mr.crow
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I have used that seller and everything was great. He was very honest and had good communication when there was a delay.
No shipping of paraformaldehyde to Canada >: (
Double, double toil and trouble; Fire burn, and caldron bubble
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overunity33
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Saw a vendor on ebay selling Diethylamine hcl, Sodium Borohydride, h3po3, Propionyl Chloride. Supposedly in BC, canada. I emailed him and his
response was emailed from a dedicated server company in Chicago, IL according to the header IP address. Not a good sign...
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majortom
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Of course it can just be billed off as a fragrance company, but how do you explain the notable lack of fragrance chemicals that can't be used for
'other' purposes? No ethylacetate, acetophenone, or the like? Of course the jurors don't know squat about that, as in the case of the experimenter who
"accidentaly" made MDMA as a byproduct of some other reaction, and got aquited. I'm not interested in doing any sort of questionable chemistry, but I
think that if you just bought paraformaldehyde and you have a record of buying vigreux columns, three knocked flanks and cold fingers that might raise
a few eyebrows even so, of course if you ordered the methylenedioxy stuff and had a history of buying perfume bottles and ethyl agitate you'd be fine.
I'm not cheering for the dea or anything, I hate them for how they have killed chemistry with extensive watchlists (seriously, ethanol acetone and
dilute hcl are on there) I think people should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies, but It just seems like it shoots of a giant red
flag to the DEA.
I think diethylamine and phosphorus acid are actually more likely to be used for something not illicit than propenylbenzene.
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Rogeryermaw
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@overunity33 that does indeed sound suspicious about the i.p. addy. not to be paranoid but you know the powers that be go fishing for the poor souls
who don't know any better. we've all seen the horror story articles.
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anotheronebitesthedust
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The I.P. address was probably in Chicago because I always use Tor when responding to suspicious bait emails; whether they're from the DEA, the RCMP,
or Sciencemadness internet sleuths.
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peach
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I entirely agree with Zed, even if it's THE POLICE on the other end, they're not going to give two shits if you're using it for something entirely
innocuous.
People into all that photography, fragrance and soap stuff as they churn out drugs for the $$$ / POWA / kewlz are seriously misleading themselves. It
wouldn't cut it with me, let alone a judge. For a start, it's certainly not in the spirit of things. The judges in the UK are certainly bothered about
the spirit of things over the things on paper.
I'm considering actually asking the police round and getting a VAT code so I don't have to bother about any of this raid rubbish anymore. I've already
spoken to the fire station up the road about having cylinders in the house; or rockets as the fire brigade see them.
[Edited on 2-10-2010 by peach]
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madscientist
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It is absolutely illegal to possess a lot of those things, even if they aren't controlled. They can nail you with the vague "possession of a
precursor" laws or worse, "intent to manufacture."
I weep at the sight of flaming acetic anhydride.
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undead_alchemist
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Quote: Originally posted by overunity33  | | Saw a vendor on ebay selling Diethylamine hcl, Sodium Borohydride, h3po3, Propionyl Chloride. Supposedly in BC, canada. I emailed him and his
response was emailed from a dedicated server company in Chicago, IL according to the header IP address. Not a good sign... |
Said seller of this is on this forum.
[Edited on 2-10-2010 by undead_alchemist]
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Rogeryermaw
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| Quote: Originally posted by madscientist | | It is absolutely illegal to possess a lot of those things, even if they aren't controlled. They can nail you with the vague "possession of a
precursor" laws or worse, "intent to manufacture." |
absolutely correct. even if the books don't say it's a no-no you have to remember that here in the land of the "free" that every inmate in the prison
system brings a fortune in tax money and you can't discount all the L.E. assholes and young judges who want to make a name for themselves and look
like crusading heroes*cough*bullshit!*cough* who said that!??!!!?
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jon
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man i used to like the police you know some of thier earlier hits like "don't stand so close to me"
and "ill be watching you"
then i realized hey wait a minute maybe that's a vauge warning.
hmmm.
and just because the seller of this is on this forum what does that mean? a lot of L.E. is on this forum.
have it sent to your neighbors and look for the jumpout boys.
on the other hand i've oerdered sketchy shit it was'nt listed but sketchy enough to warrant investigation and i'm not calling with from a place that
asks for collect call auth. and warns "this is a correctional institution"
[Edited on 2-10-2010 by jon]
[Edited on 2-10-2010 by jon]
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Rogeryermaw
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man that's harsh! funny as hell but harsh! i would rather handle my worst enemy myself than wish a visit from the swine on them. only good use for
swine is next to eggs on a plate!
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jon
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it's a bit disrespectful to farm animals to call the police swine.
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Rogeryermaw
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oh my lord!! i am truly sorry for that bit of insensitivity! sometimes we say horrible things before we think... pigs may roll in shit but i would
never eat anything as dirty as a cop! thanks for catching me on that.
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jon
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no problem.
at least swine don't bust your door down and steal your freedom and property.
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Contrabasso
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Well someone on ebay uk was selling a box with one bottle of conc nitric and one of conc sulphuric, with the note that they would be correctly
shipped.
Needless to say I didn't have the opportunity to check the driver's credentials, that deal seemed just too hot. Might as well send acetone and HTP
together!
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peach
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Correctly shipped? Hmmmmmmm
If you check the terms and conditions for 99%+ of the couriers, none of them will accept acids or any other remotely dangerous chemical, including
precharged lighters.
I tried asking a bunch of them for quotes to ship a 1l bottle of acid and they wanted something like £400 for a special driver to go and pick it up.
There are ways to ship chemicals for £10, but it's not using regular postage services. At least, not legally.
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dann2
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Hello,
Here's one that will frighten the life out of you!! Via the price!!!
36% HCl for the picking up (if your lucky and live in UK).
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Hydrochloric-Acid-36-Brick-Patio-Clean...
Dann2
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peach
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God dammit! 2 hours away, and in exactly the opposite direction to the two hours I need to drive to pick something else up, that's even heavier than
these. AND, I just emptied my bottle of hydrochloric.
However;
| Quote: | | Contains a blend of non-ionic surfactants, hydrochloric acid and corrosion inhibitors. |
Making it a potentially bad choice for chemistry requiring any degree of precision or things like splitting phases.
It'd really needs redoing by dumping an equally large quantity of sulphuric on it and redissolving the hydrogen chloride that comes off, to get it
nice 'n pure again. Or straight up distillation.
But 200l+ plus, yikes.
It would not surprise me if the person who buys that tries reselling it in liter bottles as reagent grade, without cleaning it up.
If I could easily get it to the house, I might be able to give it go. But moving, shipping and working with something like that won't be a.... barrel
of laughs.
[Edited on 6-10-2010 by peach]
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MadHatter
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eBay
Always remember, that eBay = eSnitch. They'll turn over records to LEOs on request.
From opening of NCIS New Orleans - It goes a BOOM ! BOOM ! BOOM ! MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !
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