Flip
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Al/Hg - Salvageable?
Let's say that one has a ketone derived from dillapiole and they run a reductive amination via Al/Hg. There's only one problem.. they forget to add
their amine. The Al/Hg goes along fine and they go about their business and extract this mixture with toluene, gas the toluene with HCl, and realize
their mistake as the solution begins to turn dark.
Can this situation be salvaged?
Has the ketone been reduced to the alcohol? If so, what would be the best route back to the amine? If not, I suppose things would be pretty
straightforward.
Thanks,
Flip
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I think that this individual should take a break from using the intended products typical of said reaction and perhaps his memory will improve.
Still, I'm pretty sure you need metal hydrides to reduce ketones to alcohols, so there's a good chance your reaction didn't affect the ketone at all.
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Thanks. That's what I thought but add HCl into the mix and the whole thing is just a mess. It just leaves one to wonder with all the heat given off
in the reaction just what exactly would have been reduced. Water, I suppose, but it was run in anhydrous MeOH. I think the solution will just be to
redistill. As a disclaimer, the position of the carbonyl may be different from where you're thinking.
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Say hello to the pinacol coupling...
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hahah second that!
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I would just try to vac distill a small amount of your mess and see if you can get any ketone back. I might also try a bisulfite adduct.
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al/hg will reduce a ketone to an alcohol though as stated above you will get some pinacol coupling
of the carbonyl from an al/hg of this substitued ketone.
I have salavaged other ketones from this kind of problem in the past though I always lost some.
I agree with bolt in that you should vac distill the tone
the nose will tell you everything then.
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Quote: Originally posted by Melgar | I think that this individual should take a break from using the intended products typical of said reaction and perhaps his memory will improve. |
Smoking around a lab is a bad idea as well.
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