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aonomus
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No I don't think glycerin is being restricted, I think people just aren't buying it as much when they can go to the shelf and either get the cheapest
thing, or buy what is shown on TV...
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A good percentage of people seem to associate glycerin with nitroglycerin. Not surprising. But what is surprising is when they see a bottle of it in
a lab--they get scared and ask questions like, "is that gonna blow up?" and "do you know what you're doing?"--but when it's in the medicine cabinet
it's no big deal.
The power of context.
When I worked at a 1-hour eyeglass place we used gallons of it as a heating bath liquid. There didn't seem to be any concern. The only reason there
should be concern over glycerin is ignorance.
"There must be no barriers to freedom of inquiry ... There is no place for dogma in science. The scientist is free, and must be free to ask any
question, to doubt any assertion, to seek for any evidence, to correct any errors. ... We know that the only way to avoid error is to detect it and
that the only way to detect it is to be free to inquire. And we know that as long as men are free to ask what they must, free to say what they think,
free to think what they will, freedom can never be lost, and science can never regress." -J. Robert Oppenheimer
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| Quote: | | "is that gonna blow up?" and "do you know what you're doing?"-- |
Next time Scream NO!!! And throw it as hard as you can at the wall just to watch there ignorant legs tremble as they see a "high explosive" fly across
the room and slam into the wall full force. If your really bord scream BOOM! as loud as you can as it hits the wall
Knowledge is useless to useless people...
"I see a lot of patterns in our behavior as a nation that parallel a lot of other historical processes. The fall of Rome, the fall of Germany — the
fall of the ruling country, the people who think they can do whatever they want without anybody else's consent. I've seen this story
before."~Maynard James Keenan
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I didn't read that until just now. I laughed for at least a few minutes. Thanks for that.
"There must be no barriers to freedom of inquiry ... There is no place for dogma in science. The scientist is free, and must be free to ask any
question, to doubt any assertion, to seek for any evidence, to correct any errors. ... We know that the only way to avoid error is to detect it and
that the only way to detect it is to be free to inquire. And we know that as long as men are free to ask what they must, free to say what they think,
free to think what they will, freedom can never be lost, and science can never regress." -J. Robert Oppenheimer
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The mounties always get their man.
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Oh, you mean the Royal Canadian Mounted Pigs, Canada's red-coated Gestapo.
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What's the problem with "expensive" glycerine ? Just cook soap out of some oil with NaOH; glycerine will be the other product ...
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I've made soap with lye. Unless you go to extra trouble to separate it, the glycerin stays in the soap. Possibly if you were very careful to keep
water to a minimum (rather than adding an aqueous solution of NaOH, which is the standard recipe), the separation would occur by itself as you would
avoid forming an emulsion. Maybe you were thinking of biodiesel production, which proceeds this way. Regardless, whatever you ended up with would not
exactly be reagent grade. I admit I'm a little mystified by the high price of glycerine, since every so often I hear it mentioned as a waste product
of biodiesel that is simply piling up in 55-gallon drums; but I don't think it's a particularly easy product to purify, which might be the problem.
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Centrifuge
Anybody ? Magpie knows what I'm talking about. BTW, what does this have to do
with KMNO4 unless the plan is to mix the two for a fiery reaction ? 
From opening of NCIS New Orleans - It goes a BOOM ! BOOM ! BOOM ! MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !
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No, these items are not restricted (non List 1 chemicals) -what happens is that the individual chains received government notices of abuse or letters
with a VERY subtle inference that the DHS or whatever would "like their help" in curtailing some serious issues", etc bla, bla, bla.... Canada is VERY
much like the USA in these matters.
In the USA some VERY large chains pulled Ammonium Nitrate and sulfuric acid, when the "became aware of the 'problem". Additionally many companies have
sourced different products. There is in fact an extreme surplus of sulfuric acid due primarily to anodizing aluminum (that's often why you see the
black crud in bottles). But when they get letters; they get paranoid and switch suppliers to sodium hydroxide (or whatever). How do I know this
happens? A friend showed me a letter (around the time of the "Be Aware for America" campaign).
If I didn't think it would be inappropriate; I would reprint one. Those who remember the "Don't make M80's" letter that members of PGII and a whole
list of people got (who bought chemicals from a pryro supplier) and it's impact.....scares the crap out of you. Since that time I have always wondered
what gives the CPSC the RIGHT to use Justice Dept stationary for "impact".
There are some folks here who got "The Letter". Approx 25% (a guess) got out of the hobby altogether. BAM! "I'm selling off all my pyro stuff".
This is a not-so-subtle use of power. Because whether it's a company or an individual, a letter has a lot of impact!
This bring to mind the whole of the "surrender mentality".
The thing that can be really infuriating is the idea of surrendering one's rights. Typically in the USA it's the 4th Amendment, the right to privacy.
The typical conception is "I'VE GOT NOTHING TO HIDE SO LET THEM SEARCH ALL THEY WANT". This was how some of the most egregious breaks with the
Constitution have occurred in BOTH Canada & The USA. One of the most basic points is that it doesn't matter if you have something to hide or not.
You have a right to privacy and security in your belongings. We have let so sublime little things make us shrink from contesting our Rights that we
ended up with the Patriot Act (I) and Canada ended up with (Heaven's knows what laws!). many noted Constitutional scholars have seen what the 1st
rendition of The Patriot Act brought about & it's not healthy for those who treasure freedom.
If you are one of those people who say "I have nothing to hide, so let them search my house and my person all they want" I have something for you to
read and ponder.
Attachment: I_Have_Nothing_to_Hide-id998565.pdf (296kB)
This file has been downloaded 1138 times
[Edited on 11-3-2010 by quicksilver]
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Quote: Originally posted by quicksilver  | No, these items are not restricted (non List 1 chemicals) -what happens is that the individual chains received government notices of abuse or letters
with a VERY subtle inference that the DHS or whatever would "like their help" in curtailing some serious issues", etc bla, bla, bla.... Canada is VERY
much like the USA in these matters.
In the USA some VERY large chains pulled Ammonium Nitrate and sulfuric acid, when the "became aware of the 'problem". Additionally many companies have
sourced different products. There is in fact an extreme surplus of sulfuric acid due primarily to anodizing aluminum (that's often why you see the
black crud in bottles). But when they get letters; they get paranoid and switch suppliers to sodium hydroxide (or whatever). How do I know this
happens? A friend showed me a letter (around the time of the "Be Aware for America" campaign).
If I didn't think it would be inappropriate; I would reprint one. Those who remember the "Don't make M80's" letter that members of PGII and a whole
list of people got (who bought chemicals from a pryro supplier) and it's impact.....scares the crap out of you. Since that time I have always wondered
what gives the CPSC the RIGHT to use Justice Dept stationary for "impact".
There are some folks here who got "The Letter". Approx 25% (a guess) got out of the hobby altogether. BAM! "I'm selling off all my pyro stuff".
This is a not-so-subtle use of power. Because whether it's a company or an individual, a letter has a lot of impact!
This bring to mind the whole of the "surrender mentality".
The thing that can be really infuriating is the idea of surrendering one's rights. Typically in the USA it's the 4th Amendment, the right to privacy.
The typical conception is "I'VE GOT NOTHING TO HIDE SO LET THEM SEARCH ALL THEY WANT". This was how some of the most egregious breaks with the
Constitution have occurred in BOTH Canada & The USA. One of the most basic points is that it doesn't matter if you have something to hide or not.
You have a right to privacy and security in your belongings. We have let so sublime little things make us shrink from contesting our Rights that we
ended up with the Patriot Act (I) and Canada ended up with (Heaven's knows what laws!). many noted Constitutional scholars have seen what the 1st
rendition of The Patriot Act brought about & it's not healthy for those who treasure freedom.
If you are one of those people who say "I have nothing to hide, so let them search my house and my person all they want" I have something for you to
read and ponder.
[Edited on 11-3-2010 by quicksilver] |
So is this another one of those things where the government feels that it has to protect its people from themselves?
"If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research." - A. Einstein
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Indeed.
Just my opinion - but that issue draws into it's orbit the whole of restrictions on chemicals, firearms, swords, powerful radios, & certain other
objects.
One of the most common symptoms of paranoia (in this regard) is illustrated HERE, on this Board. You will read all sorts of "Non mea culpa" posts;
such as disclaimers that the author does not have any chemicals any more, does not light materials on fire, or has stopped experimenting years ago,
etc. That's just plain sad: that a person would feel they are being "watched" or whatever to the point that "big brother" is monitoring a science
bulletin board and a discussion over trivial levels of fulminate or whatever. I have done it myself.
I am not saying that during certain periods that Carnivore or whatever may scan the internet for co-incidental dialog but I really think the Fed has
lots more important things to do than keep track over how many "Cold-Packs" someone buys.
......The local Fire Marshall may be a different matter - but that office is not some three letter agency with offices in Ft. Meade monitoring every
key pressed on a sophomore's laptop......
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| Quote: Originally posted by quicksilver | | One of the most common symptoms of paranoia (in this regard) is illustrated HERE, on this Board. You will read all sorts of "Non mea culpa" posts;
such as disclaimers that the author does not have any chemicals any more, does not light materials on fire, or has stopped experimenting years ago,
etc. That's just plain sad: that a person would feel they are being "watched" or whatever to the point that "big brother" is monitoring a science
bulletin board and a discussion over trivial levels of fulminate or whatever. I have done it myself. |
I feel the same way. Sometimes I can seem a bit paranoid when I buy certain things off the internet. Just last year I bought 5 books on explosives and
I think Amazon may be reporting people that buy the kind of material that I buy. (We do live in the post 9-11 era and lately there have been attempts
for a repeat.) I try to be careful about what and how I order my chemicals off the net because I don’t want a knock on my door. I love explosives,
it’s my hobby and I want to make a career out of it by joining E.O.D. in the U.S.A.F.
Also, it’s stupid to restrict chemicals from the public. If someone needs a certain chemical that the government outlaws or puts a restriction on
then HOTDOG! that person is going to find a way to obtain what he or she needs.
When God closes a door, He opens a window.
"If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research." - A. Einstein
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What we are discussing has very far reaching implications.
We are talking essentially about a "backdoor muzzling" of common discussions. Remember when people would use the acronym "SWIM"?
I'm fairly sure that except for threats against the President and certain provisions for illustrating unknown facts in an on-going felony
investigation, that speech is still protected by the Constitution in so far as this hobby is concerned.
Little Johnny says he made an oxycubain: so what? Little Johnny posts a picture of crystals or powder, so what? Who is to say that little Johnny
didn't just copy all his chemistry from a fucking book next to his computer and photograph all his yield with a cellphone and Mom's kitchen table???
But yet enormous amounts of contributors won't dare say a word of their hobby (even if they really DON'T do anything really prosecutable) because of
the "headhunter" mentality of cops or prosecutors with arrest / conviction statistics on their mind.
What's more I applaud the gentleman (KNO3me ) for wanting to make a career out of Military disposal operations. If still not in the service, does he
not have a right to educate himself as to Fuze mechanisms and chemical interaction without fear of someone twisting the subject to it's lowest &
most destructive agenda? Would not the same be said for a Lock Smith, machinist, or an electronics engineer for that matter?
That is the jist of my point; the twisting and misreading of postings & dialog. We are muzzled from a fear-based agenda, developed from the very
method of communication we use.
Everyone knows that the printed word cannot communicate the same way that the spoken word can.....That is why we use little "smiles" and things, so
that our meaning is made clearer. It's just too easy to take a written Email (for instance) & believe the writer is meaning something entirely
different than interned.
[Edited on 17-4-2010 by quicksilver]
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KNO3me
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Actually I’ve never heard of the acronym SWIM before.
Does it mean “System Wide Information Management”?
| Quote: Originally posted by quicksilver | | I'm fairly sure that except for threats against the President and certain provisions for illustrating unknown facts in an on-going felony
investigation, that speech is still protected by the Constitution in so far as this hobby is concerned. |
I suppose you’re right, since NAMBLA can get away with publishing a manual called "Rape and Escape" and some man named David L. Riegel can also
publish a book called “Understanding Loved Boys and Boylovers”. Tonight I found out that you can find Understanding Loved Boys and Boylovers on
Amazon. Although I am protected by the constitution, I am still going to be very cautious how conduct my hobby.
| Quote: Originally posted by quicksilver | | What's more I applaud the gentleman (KNO3me ) for wanting to make a career out of Military disposal operations. If still not in the service, does he
not have a right to educate himself as to Fuze mechanisms and chemical interaction without fear of someone twisting the subject to it's lowest &
most destructive agenda? Would not the same be said for a Lock Smith, machinist, or an electronics engineer for that matter? |
First, I’d like to say thank you.
And secondly, I’m an 18yr old kid soon to be 19 this month working on making it into the Air Force. Right now I’m in community college till June
so I can complete 15 units. I don’t want to attend community college but the Air Force won’t accept my diploma because I’m coming from a tier 2
high school.
Yes, everyone should have the right to explore science of all kinds except the manufacture of narcotics. I would understand if one is interested in
how narcotics are produced but to manufacture and sell, I’m strongly against. Drugs tear lives apart.
I’m taking ECONMT (electrical construction maintenance) and with my little knowledge someone could cause a great deal of destruction with
electricity. I understand your point and it’s any excellent one but sadly many people fail to critically think about these things.
"If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research." - A. Einstein
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| Quote: Originally posted by KNO3me | Actually I’ve never heard of the acronym SWIM before.
Does it mean “System Wide Information Management”? |
No, no, no... Well, SWIM is an extremely powerful, broad-spectrum agent, if you want to make people cry you just toss in a post containing SWIM in a
thread, you wait a bit and then *BOOM*.
Many others are effective as well, "red phosphorus" or "nitromethane" for example will work on some more vulnerable victims.
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Oh, I see what you mean. 
| Quote: Originally posted by Sandmeyer |
Many others are effective as well, "red phosphorus" or "nitromethane" for example will work on some more vulnerable victims. |
I know what they are but what are you saying?
"If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research." - A. Einstein
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Hey, I know this is probably a decade late but...buying KMnO4 in Canada is fine. I got 500g off eBay no problem, great stuff.
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