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Sauron
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The Dayster, that url goes nowhere, pls repair it.
MadHatter, that begs the question of whether such checks would clear if anyone had the guts to try to clear them. Since they were issued by thieves,
the likely answer is: not.
Sic gorgeamus a los subjectatus nunc.
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MagicJigPipe
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Ok, I know that the kno3 thing was not legally entrapment. When I mentioned entrapment I meant my interpretation of the word (which is much more
broad) not the legal definition. Sorry for not making that clear.
"There must be no barriers to freedom of inquiry ... There is no place for dogma in science. The scientist is free, and must be free to ask any
question, to doubt any assertion, to seek for any evidence, to correct any errors. ... We know that the only way to avoid error is to detect it and
that the only way to detect it is to be free to inquire. And we know that as long as men are free to ask what they must, free to say what they think,
free to think what they will, freedom can never be lost, and science can never regress." -J. Robert Oppenheimer
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chemnut
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recent post from Brian Howes
[This is a story of a company KNO3.COM and the THECHEMICALSHOP.COM and Brian Howes, Kerry-Ann Shanks and Colin Anderson who is the owner of the
Bo’ness Motor Museum who were working with the home office, Special branch against terrorism and with the police against drug dealers also we were
working with trading standards and the health and safety Executive in Edinburgh Tom Allen. Well Kerry and I Brian Howes were but cannot vouch for
Colin Anderson who has no backbone because he did nothing to help us while we were in prison on illegal remand for seven months. What Colin Anderson
did of the Bo’ness Motor Museum was to steel our car sell all our stock which did not belong to him and hide behind his friend Chief Inspector
Rennie of Grangemouth. Why Colin Anderson did this we do not know yet as we have not had any contact since Kerry-Ann Shanks and my arrest. Our company
never broke the law yet the media make it look like we were selling chemicals to make drugs but they were legal here and were used for fireworks and
for medical use. This story is only the beginning of a much larger story of police corruption that will take a long time to write. I can only hope I
have the time to write it as Cleveland Police may stop my writings again as they have done in the past on another website I had called www.Cleveland-police.org. How can we be extradited for selling chemicals legal in the UK? TO BE CONTINUED}
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Sauron
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Just more bullshit "CIA defense" claptrap and self serving blarny. Why clutter the thread with such rubbish?
Sic gorgeamus a los subjectatus nunc.
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Paperman
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Ok people here's what I found...
go to http://whois.domaintools.com/thechemicalcloset.co.uk and you will see the following info and a lot
more. Kinda funny that their IP address is in Scottsdale, Arizona don't you think?
Whois Record for Thechemicalcloset.co.uk ( The Chemical Closet ) Click to Edit Front Page Information
Website Title: The Chemical Closet
Title Relevancy 100%
AboutUs: Wiki article on Thechemicalcloset.co.uk
SEO Score: 76%
Terms: 324 (Unique: 200, Linked: 31)
Images: 5 (Alt tags missing: 5)
Links: 12 (Internal: 11, Outbound: 1)
Indexed Data
Alexa Trend/Rank: #2,954,705 for the last three months.
Compete Rank: #697,183 with 1,375 U.S. visitors per month
Quantcast Rank: #539,791
Registry Data
Created: 2007-06-29
Expires: 2009-06-29
Whois Server: whois.nic.uk
Server Data
IP Address: 72.167.11.220
IP Location - Arizona - Scottsdale - Godaddy.com Inc
Response Code: 200
Blacklist Status: Clear
SSL Cert: www.thechemicalcloset.co.uk expires in 188 days.
Domain Status: Registered And Active Website
DON'T SHOP THERE UNLESS YOU WANT A ROOMATE NAMED "BEN DOVER"!!!!!!!
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Paperman
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OH YEH you can confirm that IP at many sites but a lot of them will report that they cannot provide that information at this time except the following
site... http://www.melissadata.com/lookups/iplocation.asp?ipaddress=...
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undead_alchemist
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IP address whois lookups don't mean much, they can be set to say anything. Mostly set to the billing address for who ever has the IPs,
so they don't always point to where the server really is...
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Paperman
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You are absolutely right (slipped my mind), however using a US company for any service
makes them liable in US courts.
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chemnut
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its a sting
Brian Howes posted pdf of the federal indictment. Most interesting was the fake name used by Arizona detective.. James Porter,, which is also
name of registree for www.thechemicalcloset.uk.co and the site traces to IP in Arizona.
You do the math....
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MagicJigPipe
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www.thechemicalcloset.uk.co seems to be no more.
"There must be no barriers to freedom of inquiry ... There is no place for dogma in science. The scientist is free, and must be free to ask any
question, to doubt any assertion, to seek for any evidence, to correct any errors. ... We know that the only way to avoid error is to detect it and
that the only way to detect it is to be free to inquire. And we know that as long as men are free to ask what they must, free to say what they think,
free to think what they will, freedom can never be lost, and science can never regress." -J. Robert Oppenheimer
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chemoleo
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Well I must say, anyone selling ephedrine hydrochloride 500 g for 200$ is looking for trouble (which means the site is online btw)
It is a shame that these phony businesses sell chemicals to the supposed main consumer base, which are 'hobbyists and amateurs', where they show
ephedrine HCl right on the front page, the first chemical out of all of them ....
It taints the true hobbyist, and makes all those well-meaning individuals interested solely in amateur chemistry look like drug cooks, every single
one of them, and will undoubtedly only spell trouble for future years to come. Self interest I know....
Plus they can't spell, how can you trust the content?
Never Stop to Begin, and Never Begin to Stop...
Tolerance is good. But not with the intolerant! (Wilhelm Busch)
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MagicJigPipe
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I think it could be a sting operation and the mispellings could be an attempt to look "kewl" in order to appeal to the average meth cook. Just check
out the amphetamines (or any other section, really) of Wetdreams and you'll see what I mean.
No legitimate business would risk persecution by selling illegal amounts of ephedrine like that. Not to mention how blatant they seem to be about it.
EDIT
I see. Typing the address directly doesn't work for me, however clicking a link (google) does. Strange.
[Edited on 28-1-2008 by MagicJigPipe]
"There must be no barriers to freedom of inquiry ... There is no place for dogma in science. The scientist is free, and must be free to ask any
question, to doubt any assertion, to seek for any evidence, to correct any errors. ... We know that the only way to avoid error is to detect it and
that the only way to detect it is to be free to inquire. And we know that as long as men are free to ask what they must, free to say what they think,
free to think what they will, freedom can never be lost, and science can never regress." -J. Robert Oppenheimer
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0U812
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Dont be so sure about the IP lookup
me agree with the undead_alchemist....i checked out kno3.com prior to ordering and found their IP address was in Florida. My chems for sure came from
England though.
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woelen
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MagicJigPipe
I see. Typing the address directly doesn't work for me, however clicking a link (google) does. Strange.
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You typed the address ending in uk.co, it must be ending in co.uk.
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0U812
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www.thechemicalcloset.co.uk worked for me! order of RP&E arrived two days ago with no one watching round the corner (that i know of). Think
i'll have it sent to grandmas next time just in case!!!
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MagicJigPipe
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Argghhh... You've got to be kidding me. I assume "E" means ephedrine HCl. Buying red phosphorus and ephedrine from the same place (or at all, even
if it's not that site) is just dumb. Period.
"There must be no barriers to freedom of inquiry ... There is no place for dogma in science. The scientist is free, and must be free to ask any
question, to doubt any assertion, to seek for any evidence, to correct any errors. ... We know that the only way to avoid error is to detect it and
that the only way to detect it is to be free to inquire. And we know that as long as men are free to ask what they must, free to say what they think,
free to think what they will, freedom can never be lost, and science can never regress." -J. Robert Oppenheimer
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woelen
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This company really makes me sad. It is very harmful for the case of the legit home chemist. Look at the top 10 of sold items:
1. ephedrine 100 g
2. red P 250 g
3. red P 500 g
4. ephedrine 500 g
5. red P 100 g
6. iodine 50 g
7. iodine 100 g
8 . iodine xxx g
9 and further: other chemicals
They also sell some pyro stuff like KClO4, KClO3, KNO3 and some other common oxidizers, and stuff like NaOH and KOH. I have the impression that they
only have those chems in stock in order to make it seem a little bit more believable that they are geared towards hobbyists. But given their selling
profile, I think that their customers mainly are cooks. I would not dare buying a gram of those people.
For me, buying red P is not a problem (I also purchased some red P, from a German hobby supplier, who however does not sell ephedrine), but the combo
with ephedrine is very suspicious. What the hell would a legit home chemist want to do with ephedrine?
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YT2095
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woelen
What the hell would a legit home chemist want to do with ephedrine? |
non at all unless you kept certain insect, spider, scorpions or snakes.
and even then you can buy Epi-pens that are Pharma grade pre-loaded antidotes.
most of the time a simple COX-2 inhibitor will do the job anyway.
I`m quite astonished that they actually Sell adrenaline, it`s almost Begging for trouble!
\"In a world full of wonders mankind has managed to invent boredom\" - Death
Twinkies don\'t have a shelf life. They have a half-life! -Caine (a friend of mine)
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quicksilver
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 0U812
Think i'll have it sent to grandmas next time just in case!!! |
Nice going there chief....On the seal of the World Federation of Cooks (in Latin) is the following:
~-=Ethics, Integrity, & Compassion for thy fellows=-~
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JohnWW
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Ephedrine and pseudoephedrine are used as decongestants, so if you suffer from continual post-nasal drip, bronchitis, a cold, or 'flu, or cystic
fibrosis, you would have an excuse to buy it.
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0U812
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Hey woelen, you shoudnt smoke your own shit, that stuffs legal in the U.K. and I bet the company is making a killing. Its all about the mighty
dollar.
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microcosmicus
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Sure, the stuff in their catalog may all be legal in the U.K., but when I had a look
at their online catalog, the selection of chemicals really makes me wonder.
The problem I see is not so much that they offer ephedrine or saffrole, but
that they don't list any of the usual chemicals like the following:
acetic acid
benzoic acid
citric acid
methanol
copper sulphate
cobalt chloride
phosphoric acid
sodium sulfide
sodium bisulfite
sulphuric acid
etc, etc. etc.
Were they a legitimate chemical supplier, I would expect to see
chemicals like these in the catalog. It would be different if they
had an extensive catalog which had all the usual chemicals and
somewhere tucked in there were a few items like ephedrine and
saffrole. In that context, it would look OK with me. Alright, maybe
they only care about exotic, hard to find chemicals as per their blurb.
Well then why don't they have stuff like the following in the catalog?:
Yttrium chloride
Selenium
Buckyballs
Sodium Xenate
etc.
As it stands there is nothing unusual about 90% of the stuff in their
catalogue (Xylene, hydrochloric acid, sodium chloride) and the only
reason that any of it might be rare is because of its use by meth cooks.
Sure, while any particular item they sell has all sorts of legitimate uses,
the particular combination which constitutes their catalog only makes sense
if their primary business is supplying drug cooks. The line "Whether you're
an individual, hobbyist, school, amateur chemist, farmer or a business we can
supply what you need." really falls flat on its face when one notes that they
do not carry most of the items that someone might usually want for a home
or school or industrial lab.
Yes, OU812, it is all about the almighty pound sterling and the company is
likely making a killing. (Of course, pretty much the same could be said
about Dow, DuPont or most any other company.) Just let's be clear what
business they're in and who is their customer base.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 0U812
I bet the company is making a killing. |
I bet the company is a sting.
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joeflsts
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| Quote: | Originally posted by pantone159
| Quote: | Originally posted by 0U812
I bet the company is making a killing. |
I bet the company is a sting. |
Agreed - I see post after post on this forum crying about the harsh tactics of LEO's and seldom do people mention the real reason we have a hard time
sourcing items is because of "retail" sites like this one and the people that buy from them and sell illegal materials.
Joe
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Whether it's legal or illegal; a sting or a sleaze, the bottom line is that it's about cooking crap. And cooks hurt the public and the hobbyist. Cooks
have done more to fuck up this hobby than anything else imaginable.
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