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DeusExMachina
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why didnt you guys check out the ingredients first?
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trinitrotoluene
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For most stump removers it dosen't say.
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Skean Dhu
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Hi-Yeild brand stump remover has 1.5 lbs of it for like $3 in the prilled form, and it says on the back CAUTION: contains potassium nitrate, FYI for
those of you in the States
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If anyones still lookin for info on this i found this site to have pretty good info on the subject plus i ended up getting a good amount of info from
the many other pages on the site
http://krimzonpyro.com/ep/projectsdevicesdir/kno3.html
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NitroCarboNitrate
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Purifying KNO3
I'm only new here, and havent had a good look around, but thought I would post this FYI.
This is verbatim for MERCK INDEX Twelfth Edition.
Lots of clues for purifiying Pot Nitrate.
7815. Potassium Nitrate Saltpeter niter KNO3 mol wt 101.10 K 13.85% O 47.47% Contains~99.5% KNO3
Colourless transparent prism, white granular or cryst powder cooling saline pungent taste d2.11 MP 333deg C Dec @ 400deg C with evolution of O2 
one gram dissolves in2.8ml water 0.5ml boiling water.620 ml alcohol. Sol in glycerol insoluble in absolute alcohol Dissolves in water with a lowering
of temperature. PH~7.LD50 orally in wabbits 1.166g anion/kg
CAUTION ingestion of large quantities may cause violent gastroenteritis prolonged exposure to small amounts may produce anemia methemoglobinemia
nephritis.
USES. in firework fluxes pickling meats manufacture glass matches gunpowder blasting powders freezing mictures impregnating candle wicks treating
tobacco to make it burn easily tempering steel
Theraputic catogory Diuretic.
So, it dissolves more so in boiling water than cold and it wont dissolve in absolute alcohol.
I think I need to put some backed epsom salts into that bottle of methylated spirits for a few days and then wash my stump grinder in it whilst slowly
heating it to about 55 deg C. wash rinse wash rinse.
then see what is left. ( I am assuming you have weighed your product before, and will weigh after)
Then a boiling water wash, dissolve, then into the fridge, harvest xtal's boil reduce freeze, etc etc.
This is assuming that the major other ingredient is Urea, which is a HUGE source of nitrogen.
This is because urea CH4N2O is very soluble in Abs Alcohol Pot Nitrate isnt.
These are the solubilitys for urea.
1 Gram dissolves in 1ml water 10 ml 95% alcohol 1ml boiling 95% alcohol 20ml Abs alcohol 6ml methanol 2ml glycerol almost insoluble in chloroform
ether soluble in concentrated HCL..
So, there you go, enough info to start purifying your "stump remover"
I personally think that a more effective stump remover using KNO3, whould be to mix it with sulphur and charcoal. LOL
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NitroCarboNitrate
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Further to previous post
O.k. here is a couple of links
first is an MSDS of a typical 'Stump remover'
second is a how to use 'Stump remover'
http://www.southernag.com/Ms1216.PDF
http://www.southernag.com/STUMP.pdf
Data from the MSDS tells that their product is 99% KNO3, but I would think that is has been ' desensitized' the same as commercial Ammonium
nitrate fertilisers.
After all we don't want any more truck bombers.
If this is how you get this product/compound, I would try make a batch (small) of black powder with it, and see how it goes (as it wont burn on its
own)
If you are using this to make fuming Nitric acid, then I would definately do a alcohol wash, water dissolve/reXtalisation on it.
Also, in previous post, epsom salts should be Baked (not'backed' in an
oven for 20 minutes at 220 deg C to drive of water before placing into Ethyl alcohol to dry it out.
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jimwig
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kno3
i recently purchased otc about 50 pounds from a wholesale garden supply store here in the southeastern us.
these places do not advertise and are known basically to the trade. this one sold to me for cash. also got 40 pounds of muriate of potash (kcl) and
lime.
whole thing cost about $40 USD.
these places are out there just takes a bit of a search to locate.
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Polverone
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very true
80 pounds ammonium nitrate: $14.50
50 pounds urea: $10.00
Both were purchased a bit over a year ago from an agricultural co-op place. Try finding prices like that for technical grade materials from a lab
supplier!
Oh, and NitroCarboNitrate, I'm sure your KNO3 isn't "desensitized." It can't be made to detonate like NH4NO3 in the first
place. Treat it like any other tech. grade KNO3.
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JJ
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potassium nitrate
The stump remover I used was DEXOL and it was 95% +,and I used recrystalization using H20 and it worked very well.I think that Bonide stump remover is
copper sulphate?
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theh0ser
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obtaining kn03
does anyone know how i can obtain kn03 in Canada?
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Searching is good. Spoonfeeding is bad. However, I knew a supplier in Canada offhand, so I'll be nice. www.expeditedchemicals.com
[Edited on 7-12-2003 by Haggis]
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Polverone
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You can get NH4NO3, ammonium nitrate, from instant cold packs. This can be heated with potassium carbonate, bicarbonate, or hydroxide to produce
potassium nitrate. Potassium hydroxide is used in soapmaking, the carbonate is used in photography and making ceramics, and the bicarbonate is used in
brewing and photography. If nobody in Canada makes ceramics, wine, or their own photographic prints, your options may be limited.
I know you can also get nitrate fertilizers in Canada because I just found several articles on the web warning of this great "danger."
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theh0ser
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jus a quick question on ammonium nitrate, ive seen a post where some guy said he tried mixing ammonium nitrate with sugar, similar to the potassium
nitrate and sugar propellant but it didnt work...i know that ammonium nitrate and potassium nitrate have different properties but shouldnt the AN
supply the sugar with oxygen? maybe it has a higher igntion temp.
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Polverone
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The interaction between molten oxidizing salts (like KNO3) and fuels is complex. I hesitate to offer a simplified explanation for fear that my own
understanding is incomplete or flawed.
But I will point out that NH4NO3 has less oxygen available, since the hydrogen it contains will combine with some oxygen, and since it completely
turns to gases it leaves no molten phase for the fuel to interact with.
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Organikum
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funny world
I can buy pottassium nitrate in every drugstore but there is no way to get acetic acid (vinegar is limited to 8%max) - photosuppliers sell citric acid
instead.
So I make my GAA from acetone...... LOL
[Edited on 7-12-2003 by Organikum]
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Mendeleev
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I use Greenlight Co. stump remover sold at Lowes in 454 gram bottles for $4.50, it comes in a fine crystalline form. Home Depot sell Grant's
which is also okay. Stump Out brand sucks it contains no KNO3.
[Edited on 25-12-2003 by Mendeleev]
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theh0ser
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did you get the stump remover in
Canada?
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Mendeleev
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I live in the USA, but you can probably find an agricultural shop in Canada and ask for fertilizer in the 13-0-46 ratio. Here's a pdf of all the
different fertilizers that might come in use to you, just as a guide:
82-0-0 = pure ammonia
46-0-0 = pure urea
34-0-0 = ammonium nitrate
13-0-46 = potassium nitrate
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Mendeleev
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Here's a pic of one of the better KNO3 fertilizer sources, it says its chloride free, which is good because many fertilizers contain lot of salt.
If things get really desperate you can always cross the border if you live in Canada and go to the nearest Lowes.
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Obtaning Large Amounts of hundreds of chemicals
If you live in the USA(which I do) you can buy large amounts of chemicals online at skylighter.com. I got 32 pounds of 100%PURE Potassium Nitrate, for about US$23.00. There are hundreds of other chemicals there for pyrotechnics,
smokebombs, and chemistry. WOW
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Mendeleev
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I think most people already knew about skylighter, also check out:
http://firefox-fx@firefox-fx.com/
http://www.pyrotek.org/
http://www.sciencelab.com/
http://www.elementalscientific.net/
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tom haggen
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I got some of this stuff for stump removing but it doesn't say the ingredients any where. Anybody know if this has potassium nitrate in it? it
says it's non-explosive so it probably doesn't
http://www.bonideproducts.com/products/stumpout.htm
[Edited on 22-2-2004 by tom haggen]
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Mendeleev
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Wow, you got screwed, stump-out is the worst brand, good for nothing. Get either Grant's or Green Light, they're >98% KNO3. I have
about 5 kilograms of green light lying around my house at any given time. I always use them for HNO3 manufacture.
[Edited on 23-2-2004 by Mendeleev]
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tom haggen
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no worries that shit was cheap I got a discount. Anyone have any idea if there is any useful chemicals in that stump-out shit.
[Edited on 23-2-2004 by tom haggen]
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KNO3
There is aver 50% KNO3 in grants stump remover and others, they usually come n prills so i would ball mill them for about 2 hours to get a fine dust,
then throw in what ever else you want to add (BP etc...
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