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[*] posted on 28-9-2013 at 18:03


Wasn't actually asking a question, rather pointing out to him the movement of the turns was causing the breakage due to the tremendous force applied by the magnetic field. Is why I went to tubing but your right about the low impedance being hell on the switching device. I wasted many monster hockey puck SCR's before going to the trailer ball triggered gap. Loud but cheaper in the long run. You guys are getting me interested in playing with mine again it's been stored in sections for years now. I also tried the casting but it also breaks apart soon. I used a bunch of JB Weld once and it broke apart faster than clear acrylic casting resin. Never had any luck with any of those ideas. Probably OK for under a hundred joules I suppose so worth trying.




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[*] posted on 28-9-2013 at 22:07


Quote: Originally posted by MadEngineer  


Hi all, I'm the evil twin of MrHomeScientist and the one that built the coil gun he posted. He showed me the thread and I wanted to jump in with any info on my design. I'm an EE by degree but shamefully threw this device together with back of the napkin calculations.


Welcome to ScienceMadness! It's not shameful at all to build such a cool thing.

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So without the nice charger, cost comes in around $450


Hmm. I don't think I'm willing to spend this much on my coil. Thanks for the more precise info, though - it really does help!

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[*] posted on 29-9-2013 at 00:22


Search around for surplus and think of hacker sources. You can build it for a fraction of cost if you do. Medium size setups more fun really. Less headaches, less dangerous. Besides you can shoot it more often. Myself, I think the ideal size to build at minimum is a quarter squisher. Added bonus is decent rail gun power range. That means in the 5,500 joule range but that's just me.

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[*] posted on 21-10-2013 at 14:47


As it turns out, there's an indicator light built in to the camera flash circuit I hacked to build the coilgun. It's some sort of tiny neon tube shaped like a LED, and glows red when ready. All I have to do is unsolder it, stick some magnet wire in there so I can place it where I want to, and resolder it.
Anyway, construction is still ongoing - right now I'm fussing over a sort of electronic 'trigger' that consists of two pieces of blank PCB with large dots of solder on each one, and a wire in the solder. While the first board is stable, the second is on a hinge that is connected to a small thing shaped roughly like a standard gun trigger, and works about the same - when the trigger is pulled back, the two boards touch due to the solder and short. These are soldered to the two tiny prongs that stick out on the side of the camera circuit - visible here on the middle right:
<img src="http://www.spudfiles.com/spud_wiki/images/e/ef/Camera_flash.jpg" width="600" />

Apart from that, the only things left to do are solder the charge button, wire the coil and buy some capacitors. I'm planning to use a solderless breadboard, so I can add more capacitors if necessary.

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[*] posted on 21-10-2013 at 15:13


Quote: Originally posted by elementcollector1  
I'm planning to use a solderless breadboard, so I can add more capacitors if necessary.
I wouldn't recommend using a solderless breadboard for prototyping high-voltage or high-current circuits. You may experience unexpected shorts and arcing between the rails.



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[*] posted on 21-10-2013 at 15:35


Very interesting. In fact, I am working on a coilgun right now. I found eight 330V 1200uF electrolytic capacitors while taking apart some TVs (for the flybacks). I have absolutely no idea why they were in there, but they're going to make an awesome (825 J) coilgun. I prototyped a 12V to 330V boost converter on a perfboard yesterday, but I have yet to test it out. I think I shouldn't have problems with shorts or arcing, given the relatively low voltage compared to the breakdown voltage of air. Pics will come soon, at least if I remember to post them.



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[*] posted on 21-10-2013 at 16:00


Quote: Originally posted by elementcollector1  
It's some sort of tiny neon tube shaped like a LED, and glows red when ready. All I have to do is unsolder it, stick some magnet wire in there so I can place it where I want to, and resolder it.
The classical NE-2 neon indicator lamp has a breakdown voltage of around 90 V, so you'll want something with better insulation than magnet wire. If you were buying it new, you'd specify AWM (appliance wiring material) with 300 V rated insulation. You won't need much current; 24 gauge should suffice.
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[*] posted on 21-10-2013 at 16:20


Quote: Originally posted by watson.fawkes  
The classical NE-2 neon indicator lamp has a breakdown voltage of around 90 V, so you'll want something with better insulation than magnet wire. If you were buying it new, you'd specify AWM (appliance wiring material) with 300 V rated insulation. You won't need much current; 24 gauge should suffice.


Hmm. I have 12-gauge solid wire, as well as 12-gauge speaker wire. I also have some fairly thin wire that may well be 24-gauge, although I'll have to check. Thanks for the tip-off!




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