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[*] posted on 23-2-2023 at 09:30
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A visual effect produced by illuminating a table salt doped alcohol flame which produces the typical orange-y sodium spectrum with a monochrome sodium spectrum electric light. See attached images, check out the linked short video.

https://youtube.com/shorts/uUGzrS5tpLc?feature=share

Now. Where can I get strontium, barium, boron and potassium spectrum lamps- Or other suitably tunable light sources.

And how did I avoid hearing about this effect before?

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[*] posted on 23-2-2023 at 14:27


It seems Physicists and Chemists do not talk with each other very much.
That is a good demonstration of Absorption Spectroscopy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absorption_spectroscopy
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[*] posted on 23-2-2023 at 19:24


Quote: Originally posted by Bert  


Now. Where can I get strontium, barium, boron and potassium spectrum lamps- Or other suitably tunable light sources.


I think that a low cost option is a broad spectrum lamp (tungsten halogen, HID etc), lenses and/or mirrors, a diffraction grating and a couple of adjustable slits.
And a lot of miscellaneous materials and work.
A spectroscope in reverse.
I'd expect very low light levels, and a not truly monochromatic light spectrum, but may be zdoable.

If as a hobby project then I'd consider making the narrow bandwidth light source easily reversible to be a spectroscope?
And later as a spectrometer?
I'd consider it, but probably never do it :(

Other than a few industrial applications, and very specific educational purposes,
I guess that spectral lamps would be high cost per use in an amateur setting.

[Edited on 24-2-2023 by Sulaiman]




CAUTION : Hobby Chemist, not Professional or even Amateur
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[*] posted on 23-2-2023 at 20:35


I bookmarked much the same thing a year or so ago intending to show the video to a class. Have not had the opportunity yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0LWtieip9E

I note that there are quite a few videos on this. Most of them shorts.




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[*] posted on 24-2-2023 at 04:24


Mercury vapor behaves similarly with the UV light from a mercury arc lamp but you need a fluorescent screen to see the effect.

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See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZprgqZh4IE




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[*] posted on 24-2-2023 at 06:52


The only tunable monochrome light source I've ever worked with would be a bit... Expensive.



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