Sciencemadness Discussion Board
Not logged in [Login ]
Go To Bottom

Printable Version  
Author: Subject: Why is my zinc powder not powder???
TmNhRhMgBrSe
Hazard to Others
***




Posts: 112
Registered: 4-7-2019
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 24-7-2019 at 03:07
Why is my zinc powder not powder???


I bought zinc powder, but most arent powder, they'er large pieces. Why???
View user's profile View All Posts By User
XeonTheMGPony
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1640
Registered: 5-1-2016
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 24-7-2019 at 03:12


Usually it is a granular powder, reason is oxidation, Super fine dusts oxidize super fast.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
TmNhRhMgBrSe
Hazard to Others
***




Posts: 112
Registered: 4-7-2019
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 24-7-2019 at 03:32


I tried pressing with spatula to break them but they're reallu hard, not because stick by water. I also tried adding the pieces to acid and hydrogen formed.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
TmNhRhMgBrSe
Hazard to Others
***




Posts: 112
Registered: 4-7-2019
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 24-7-2019 at 03:51


But what's the relationship between powder and oxidation, XeonTheMGPony?
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Pumukli
National Hazard
****




Posts: 708
Registered: 2-3-2014
Location: EU
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 24-7-2019 at 05:05


Powder = big surface area = fast oxidation.

My zinc powder also contains bigger "chunks" and very fine powder particles. I think the "what you pay for is what you get" applies here. :)

With a fine sieve these powders could be improved. Unfortunately such sieves are not cheap.

Ball milling may help too, but I'm not sure if there were any particular do-s and dont-s regarding ball milling zinc to fine dust.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Amos
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1406
Registered: 25-3-2014
Location: Yes
Member Is Offline

Mood: No

[*] posted on 24-7-2019 at 05:13


Maybe take a fine kitchen seive and separate dust and granules to use for separate projects? It's not the end of the world.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
TmNhRhMgBrSe
Hazard to Others
***




Posts: 112
Registered: 4-7-2019
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 24-7-2019 at 08:03


Pumukli, but why there are chunks? Why don't the manufacturer powderise all chunks before selling?

[Edited on 19-7-24 by CELamCheng]

[Edited on 19-7-24 by CELamCheng]
View user's profile View All Posts By User
TmNhRhMgBrSe
Hazard to Others
***




Posts: 112
Registered: 4-7-2019
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 24-7-2019 at 08:14


I tried used a pliers to press the chunks. They break. Why? Shouldn't they become thinner pieces?
View user's profile View All Posts By User
stygian
Hazard to Others
***




Posts: 242
Registered: 19-9-2004
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 24-7-2019 at 08:17


"is zinc malleable" - "Zinc is a bluish-white metal with a shiny surface. It is neither ductile nor malleable at room temperature."
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Tsjerk
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 3032
Registered: 20-4-2005
Location: Netherlands
Member Is Offline

Mood: Mood

[*] posted on 24-7-2019 at 09:47


Quote: Originally posted by CELamCheng  
Why don't the manufacturer powderise all chunks before selling?


As stated before: Because you didn't pay them to do so.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
RedDwarf
Hazard to Others
***




Posts: 168
Registered: 16-2-2019
Location: UK (North West)
Member Is Offline

Mood: Variable

[*] posted on 24-7-2019 at 09:53


What are you trying/planning to do with the zinc? For some uses you really don't want powder and turnings or chunks are much better.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Tsjerk
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 3032
Registered: 20-4-2005
Location: Netherlands
Member Is Offline

Mood: Mood

[*] posted on 24-7-2019 at 10:14


I did some organic reductions and it was a pain to keep it cool with the powder I had, but chunks I would imaging would also be a pain as they are harder to stir.

For reductions I would go for the chunky stuff after sieving, for pyrotechnics I would go for the quality powdered stuff
View user's profile View All Posts By User
SWIM
National Hazard
****




Posts: 970
Registered: 3-9-2017
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 24-7-2019 at 10:53


What you're describing sounds kinda like mossy zinc.

It's mostly rounded lumps that have a large surface area due to the way they're made. I believe they are slightly porous.
They vary in size from quite small to several times the size of a peppercorn.

Could it be some of that mis-labeled?




View user's profile View All Posts By User
MrHomeScientist
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1806
Registered: 24-10-2010
Location: Flerovium
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 24-7-2019 at 11:39


No, my zinc powder has the same thing. Mossy zinc is pretty distinct and quite different.

I suspect the chunks are powder that got fused together during packaging or storage. The powder at the bottom of the barrel would be pressed together by the weight of everything above it, and a soft metal like zinc might "cold sinter" together into lumps. That's the theory, anyway.
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
Abromination
Hazard to Others
***




Posts: 432
Registered: 10-7-2018
Location: Alaska
Member Is Offline

Mood: 1,4 tar

[*] posted on 24-7-2019 at 15:57


Quote: Originally posted by stygian  
"is zinc malleable" - "Zinc is a bluish-white metal with a shiny surface. It is neither ductile nor malleable at room temperature."

I would like to disagree on the malleability statement. Although quite brittle at ST&P, you will still find zinc decently malleable. It still will bend and can be pounded at least a bit before cracking.

It is also not common to see the true color of zinc as it instantly oxidizes instantly on contact with air.




List of materials made by ScienceMadness.org users:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nmJ8uq-h4IkXPxD5svnT...
--------------------------------
Elements Collected: H, Li, B, C, N, O, Mg, Al, Si, P, S, Fe, Ni, Cu, Zn, Ag, I, Au, Pb, Bi, Am
Last Acquired: B
Next: Na
--------------
View user's profile View All Posts By User

  Go To Top