Sciencemadness Discussion Board - ANGN ever made on SM ?

ANGN ever made on SM ?

underground - 8-6-2018 at 17:07

I was wondering for a long time now if anyone on SM ever made 3-amino-1-nitroguanidine nitrate ? It can be made from OTC chems right ? After you got nitroguanidine, you could use hydrazine sulphate instead of pure hydrazine to form ANG.

ANGN is more powerful than HMX and the chemicals to make are not that hard to find.

[Edited on 9-6-2018 by underground]

DubaiAmateurRocketry - 8-6-2018 at 17:32

Yes, ANQN is probably the strongest OTC HEDM.

Note that guanidine in abbreviations is denoted by Q in the current energetic literature, or at least ANQN uses it (Klapotke, 2012). ANQN is the recognized The route is rather simple, an upscaling would make this thing cheap, it also out-performs RDX in double-base propellants by +5-10 Isp.

The thing about ANQN is that although it has a OB of 0, its CO-OB is actually positive, meaning that it is able to act as an oxygen donor in propellants. Making it one of the most-promising double-base candidates I have personally encountered.

- Higher Isp and VoD than HMX.
- Cheap
- Cheaper when scaled up
- Slightly oxygen positive
- High density
- Lower Impact sensitivity than RDX

[Edited on 9-6-2018 by DubaiAmateurRocketry]

underground - 9-6-2018 at 03:53

Yea it is looks really promising, easy to make and powerful. Some people here have made much more complicated HE like TNGU, TEX, 5-ATZ e.t.c. while no one ANGN. I believe this compound deserves more respect.

RDX.......................340kbar 8750m/s @ 1.82g/cc
HMX.......................390kbar 9100m/s @ 1.91g/cc
ANGN.....................419kbar 9750m/s @ 1.905g/cc

[Edited on 9-6-2018 by underground]

Microtek - 9-6-2018 at 13:25

I syntesized a small amount. It is't difficult and the yields are decent, however, it decomposes over time at room temp. It seemed to me that the decomposition mechanism was loss of nitric acid, which is consistent with the rather low alkalinity of the aminonitroguanidine. Maybe a sealed container would keep the equilibrium from shifting too far, and thereby keep decomposition to a minimum.

underground - 9-6-2018 at 14:51

Quote: Originally posted by Microtek

I syntesized a small amount. It is't difficult and the yields are decent, however, it decomposes over time at room temp. It seemed to me that the decomposition mechanism was loss of nitric acid, which is consistent with the rather low alkalinity of the aminonitroguanidine. Maybe a sealed container would keep the equilibrium from shifting too far, and thereby keep decomposition to a minimum.

Hmm what about ANQ perchlorate ? Perchloric acid is generally regarded as the strongest of all known simple acids. It could be much more stable.
Or even aminoguanidne nitrate. It would be wonderful if anyone can tell us the explo5 results for AGN and ANG Perch

Can you tell us pls the method you oblained Hydrazine sulphate and then reacting with NQ ?

[Edited on 10-6-2018 by underground]

DubaiAmateurRocketry - 9-6-2018 at 16:41

these can be all found on google scholar, and no, perchlorates ANQ is actually very impact sensitive.

ANQ salts.
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/921e/eca88286e0b691bdac1d00...

Aminoguanidine Salts are less studied, because diamino, or the triamino version out performs it.
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ac60059a021?journalCode...
https://patents.google.com/patent/US5726382A/en

[Edited on 10-6-2018 by DubaiAmateurRocketry]

Microtek - 10-6-2018 at 09:22

The first one of those was the one I based my synthesis on. It is not the first time I have seen a paper that didn't give calculated numbers for chlorine containing materials. I wonder if the code doesn't handle it well.

I ran the nitrate and the perchlorate through the Kamlet-Jacobs equations, and they seemed to indicate that the nitrate is probably more powerful:

ANQN : D = 9689 m/s P = 431 kbar

ANQP : D = 9178 m/s P = 395 kbar

For the calculation, I assumed that free chlorine would be formed.

underground - 10-6-2018 at 11:30

Can you calculate pls for aminoguanidine / diaminoguanidine nitrate ? They would be definitely stable

DubaiAmateurRocketry - 11-6-2018 at 17:21

Quote: Originally posted by Microtek

ANQN : D = 9689 m/s P = 431 kbar

ANQP : D = 9178 m/s P = 395 kbar

the VoD of ANQN is probably a little lower, EXPLO5 says 9550 if i remember right, regardless, its still of high interest for a rather simple molecule.

underground, aminoguanidine and diaminoguanidine have significantly lower VoDs than ANQN.

Microtek - 11-6-2018 at 22:48

Quote:

the VoD of ANQN is probably a little lower, EXPLO5 says 9550 if i remember right

Indeed, theoretical predictions are inherently inaccurate. However, the point was to get some kind of figure for the perchlorate salt, since detonation numbers for it apparently cannot be calculated with EXPLO5. And in order to be able to compare the numbers for the perchlorate salt with those of the nitrate salt, they should be calculated on the same basis (using the same formulas). Also, I think it is noteworthy that the numbers based on K-J equations only diverge by 1.5 % from those based on EXPLO5.

Quote:

Can you calculate pls for aminoguanidine / diaminoguanidine nitrate ?

Just google Kamlet-Jacobs equations and plug the numbers into them. You need the heat of formation for the salt as well as for the reaction products (and you need to make an educated guess as to what the detonation reaction looks like) and also the density.

[Edited on 12-6-2018 by Microtek]

MineMan - 28-4-2019 at 16:23

Does anyone have more to share. This seems too good to be true. Gaunidine nitrate can be purchased easily. Then, all one must do is dehydrate with sulfuric and then add diluted nitric!? And the sensitivity is very low...

This would be the perfect material for small shape charges.. I remember reading that CL-20 can outperform HMX by 40 percent in shape charges. Well, CL-20 is plagued with problems for us scientist, but ANQN, is safer, cheaper and more powerful. This must be explored.

MineMan - 29-4-2019 at 16:06

I was hoping nitrogaunidine could be nitrated to make this molecule... but it looks like hydrazine sulphate is needed? Is there a way to substitute hydrazine sulphate for hydrazine in synthesis?

Microtek - 29-4-2019 at 23:37

Well, you need to perform a hydrazinolysis on the nitroguanidine to get to the desired aminonitroguanidine and then form the salt with 65% HNO3 (or HClo4 or whatever). If you have hydrazine sulfate, you need to freebase it with a strong base, but it may be possible to do it in situ.

kratomiter - 5-5-2019 at 00:38

IIRC, I tried long time ago. The yield was low because precipitation upon adding nitric acid was poor.

Tsjerk - 5-5-2019 at 01:05

Maybe it can be pushed out of solution with some nitrate salt? Maybe potassium nitrate? Maybe it could even be crystallized with sulfuric acid / potassium nitrate, which would give you in situ salt to enhance crystallization.

I haven't made any energetics for a decade, but maybe I will try this one...

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underground - 5-5-2019 at 13:46

I think that the nitrate salt is not very stable. Maybe the perchorate salt would be better as long as HCLO4 is stronger than HNO3

[Edited on 5-5-2019 by underground]

MineMan - 5-5-2019 at 13:54

Someone needs to try this! For the cause of the forum! And prefect it!! For the forum!

kratomiter - 6-5-2019 at 09:52

I could give it another try, but only with the nitrate salt. I don't have access to perchloric acid.

Laboratory of Liptakov - 6-5-2019 at 13:09

Quote: Originally posted by kratomiter

I could give it another try, but only with the nitrate salt. I don't have access to perchloric acid.

You can do synthesis 3 amino nitroguanidine nitrate ? Thus ANQN? If yes, it will be a great work..... :cool:

...LL.....(I am lazy do the aminoguanidine)....

[Edited on 6-5-2019 by Laboratory of Liptakov]

Microtek - 6-5-2019 at 22:36

There is no need for using the common ion effect to force more of the product out of solution, since the yield is already more than 90%. The hydrazinolysis of nitroguanidine is less efficient, giving a yield of about 50%. I think the most interesting experiment would be to examine the energetic properties of the perchlorate salt relative to the nitrate, since they apparently can't be calculated by Explo5.

Laboratory of Liptakov - 7-5-2019 at 10:29

Quote: Originally posted by Microtek

There is no need for using the common ion effect to force more of the product out of solution, since the yield is already more than 90%. The hydrazinolysis of nitroguanidine is less efficient, giving a yield of about 50%. I think the most interesting experiment would be to examine the energetic properties of the perchlorate salt relative to the nitrate, since they apparently can't be calculated by Explo5.

You send me 6g NAQN and you will see Explo6......

Microtek - 8-5-2019 at 08:49

Experimental data are more interesting anyway, especially since scale effects are often quite significant on the ~1 gram scale. When (if) I get around to making precise comparative tests of the two salts, I will of course report it here.

While we're on the topic of testing small amounts of energetics, I was wondering what would be a good quantitative test for brisance. Sand crush (detonating a charge in a given amount of coarse sand and measuring how much is crushed into fine sand) is one possibility, however it requires that all the sand is contained. Metal indentation (in a lead or copper block) is another, but I worry that the indentations will not be very different and that random variation would mean I had to reproduce the test many times. I also considered spalling; then you could simply weigh a steel witness plate before and after to find out how much had been removed from the opposite side. The question is how consistent results such a test would give...

If anyone has any insights, suggestions or inspiration to offer, I would welcome it.

MineMan - 9-5-2019 at 20:17

Microtek. Sand crushing, or lead block. Best yet is shape charge penetration!

comparating testing

Laboratory of Liptakov - 9-5-2019 at 21:54

Lead block is pretty good compromise for comparative testing.

However during measurement, in same block, is necessary always create reference impact from known EM. As reference is here CHP.... :cool:

...LL

Boffis - 23-5-2019 at 13:28

Quote: Originally posted by MineMan

Someone needs to try this! For the cause of the forum! And prefect it!! For the forum!

OK. The synthesis of this compound and its nitrate salt have been discussed to death on Science Madness but once again much talk, a few claims to have prepared it but no details or photographs. The aim of this post is to remedy that omission. I have not prepared the nitrate salt as I have no particular interest in it but I have significant interest in the free base.

Experimental

Heat 200ml of water to 55°C in the 250ml beaker, add 16g of nitroguanidine and stir the suspension until the temperature returns to 55 C.

Add 8.4ml of 98% hydrazine hydrate dropwise over a period of about 5 minutes or so and then the temperature was maintained within the range 55-56 C for a total of 17-20 minutes from the commencement of the hydrazine addition or until all of the solid has dissolved. The reaction mixture turn progressively deeper yellow as the reaction takes place.

The reaction mixture was then cooled rapidly in a cold-water bath and once the temperature had fallen below about 45°C the mixture of quenched by neutralizing to about pH 7, roughly 10 ml of 30% HCl were required. The pale yellow reaction mixture was then chilled for several hours in the fridge to below 5°C. The pale yellow granular solid was filtered off, washed with a little cold water and dried. The yield of crude material was 9.367g.

The crude product was recrystallized from 100ml of nearly boiling water (I have found that roughly 11ml/g with the water at 90+°C before adding the nitroaminoguanidine seems to be the optimum). As soon as the solid had dissolved the beaker was placed into a cold water bath until the temperature was <35°C and then placed in the fridge for several hours. The pale cream solid was filter off, washed with a little water and dried to yield 8.56g (45%).

This preparation has been carried out numerous times and most give 45-48% yield after recrystallization but occasionally up to 50%.

Nitroaminoguanidine 2 nitroguanidine slurry.jpg - 37kB

Nitroguanidine suspension at 55 C

Nitroaminoguanidine 3 Hydrazine hydrate 8.4ml.jpg - 37kB

Hydrazine hydrate and 8.4ml measured out

Nitroaminoguanidine 4 after hydrazine addition.jpg - 36kB

Complete addition of the hydrazine and the solution starting to turn yellow T= 5 minutes

Nitroaminoguanidine 5 reaction almost complete.jpg - 41kB

Almost complete solution of the nitroguanidine T= 17 minutes, yellow colour at its most intense

Nitroaminoguanidine 6 quenched and crystallised.jpg - 32kB

The product crystallizing out from the chilled solution

Nitroaminoguanidine 7 recrystallised product.jpg - 39kB

The final re-crystallised product. Still slightly cream, a second re-crystallization gives a practically white product

I will prepare a more complete write up for the Prepublication section in due course.

[Edited on 23-5-2019 by Boffis]

underground - 23-5-2019 at 14:46

Wow Great job Boffis and really nice photoes!! Can you try out the nitrate salt too ?

The hcl salt looks like fibers, just like nitroguanidine. If the nitrate salt would be the same, i really doubt if high density can be achieved

[Edited on 23-5-2019 by underground]

Microtek - 24-5-2019 at 03:21

The nitrate does not form fibers, but rather cubic crystals that are very similar to ordinary granular sugar. Recently, I took another look at the sample of ANQN that had decomposed on standing about one month in the open. I dissolved it in warm 65% HNO3 and upon cooling, crystals that are visually identical to those originally prepared formed. I think this is a strong indication that the decomposition I have observed is in fact (primarily) loss of weakly bound nitric acid.

underground - 24-5-2019 at 11:21

Yea. Maybe at lower temps without light it could stay more. Have you ever try the clo4 salt? It may be more stable. Did u try to detonate it ?

Microtek - 28-5-2019 at 03:15

No, I haven't tried detonating it, but I do agree that the low vapour pressure of perchloric acid would tend to make the salt more stable (and also the lower pKa of HClO4 relative to HNO3 of course).

MineMan - 29-5-2019 at 20:35

I thought the chlorite salt lost all elite VOD, and P and sensitivity traits. Why not just shoot for the best and accept stability issues. Such as coating with an oil or a wax.

Boffis - 30-5-2019 at 09:58

OK I have had a go at preparing the nitrate and the perchlorate salts of aminonitroguanidine today. The nitrate salt is currently drying over CaO to remove the excess water and nitric acid since it is difficult to wash without loss of nitric acid and the perchlorate hasn't started to crystallise yet.

Nitrate: 2.7ml of 68% nitric acid was diluted to 5ml and 1.5g of aminonitroguanidine was added and the mixture warmed (very) gently

. I actually weighed out 2.3g which is still less than the Fischer et al paper calls for but after I struggled to get 1.5g todissolve I chicken out and reweighed the weighing boat at this point and I had added slightly less than 1.5g; enough I thought! The clear faintly yellow solution was left to crystallise slow. The crystals were broken up and filtered to yield colourless, dense, blocky crystals up to about 0.4 to 0.7mm, like granulated sugar in appearance as Microtek says.

Perchlorate: This compound is reportedly much more sensetive and I am much less happy about handling it so I initially used on 0.81g in 15ml of 1M perchloric acid but this crystallised too quickly so I redissolved it and added an extra 5ml of acid and left it to cool slowly. The crystals are not as dense and granular as those of the nitrate salt.

Boffis - 31-5-2019 at 12:51

Quote: Originally posted by Boffis

OK I have had a go at preparing the nitrate and the perchlorate salts of aminonitroguanidine today. The nitrate salt is currently drying over CaO to remove the excess water and nitric acid since it is difficult to wash without loss of nitric acid and the perchlorate hasn't started to crystallise yet.

Nitrate: 2.7ml of 68% nitric acid was diluted to 5ml and 1.5g of aminonitroguanidine was added and the mixture warmed (very) gently

Well I have tried an ignition test on each of the compounds and they both deflagrate vigorously but nothing special; the perchlorate seems a little more vigorous. When heated on foil they both melt before deflagrating, the nitrate leaves practically no residue.

Microtek - 31-5-2019 at 13:29

I have done some tests on the supposed reconstituted nitrate salt. On ignition it deflagrates quite vigorously and it can be set off by hammer blows (but not very easily; I definitely wouldn't worry about accidental explosion from ordinary handling). I think it is likely that this substance is in fact ANQN.

underground - 1-6-2019 at 11:05

The best think it would be to see both salts at what max density can be pressed (1) and detonate 3-4gr into a steel plate and compare them to PETN, ETN or RDX (2)

[Edited on 1-6-2019 by underground]

Laboratory of Liptakov - 1-6-2019 at 21:17

That is some burning quickly is nice, but main is how is behavior of material in cavity at high density. What described underground. Thus for example 1g ANQN (high pressed) against steel plate 3 mm. With some primary 0,2 g. If is it necessary ever. In plate should by hole. In plate 2 mm of thickness should by hole as same diameter a like diameter of pressed charge. At 1 g and diameter 8 mm. Or even bigger hole... :cool:

...LL

MineMan - 2-6-2019 at 23:51

Mineman commands these test be done!!! Listen to the mind of mineman.

DBX Labs - 8-1-2021 at 15:19

Here is my synthesis and testing of ANQN:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTrBWW_fqe8

MineMan - 8-1-2021 at 15:28

Mine man happy. Next test DBX is to mix with 10-15 percent aluminum powder and test DDT in copper tube. 1 gram

DBX Labs - 8-1-2021 at 16:22

Yeah I can try that sometime tomorrow. 3 micron flake Al.

MineMan - 8-1-2021 at 17:14

Quote: Originally posted by DBX Labs

Yeah I can try that sometime tomorrow. 3 micron flake Al.

Perfect! Follow the compression instructions of LL if possible. If this DDTs, you got the best.

If AL does not work I have other ideas.

DBX Labs - 8-1-2021 at 18:04

Quote: Originally posted by MineMan

Quote: Originally posted by DBX Labs

Yeah I can try that sometime tomorrow. 3 micron flake Al.

Perfect! Follow the compression instructions of LL if possible. If this DDTs, you got the best.

If AL does not work I have other ideas.

Wait, are you proposing that I attempt to initiate with a fuse? I was going to be using one of my BNCP bridgewire detonators

DBX Labs - 10-1-2021 at 12:51

This should make MineMan happy.

I tested the 15:85 Al to ANQN composition out both with fuse ignition and through BNCP bridge wire initiation.
To start, this mix burns quite vigorously, I'd compare it to a slower TACP but brighter due to Al. (I used 3-micron flake).

Fuse Ignition:
I lightly ground the mix with a mortar and pestle and compressed a 0.5-gram charge into plastic housing. Density was calculated to be >1.4 grams/cc. When the fuse reached the compressed mix, it burned like a rocket motor; fast, but doesn't look like a potential DDT primer.

BNCP Bridgewire Initiation:
1 gram of fine 15:85 powder was loaded and compressed inside plastic housing to >1.4 grams/cc. 0.05 grams of loose ETN filled gaps between BNCP bridgewire detonator and compressed mix.
Holy shit.
It was loud and powerful. By far more of a bang than any other secondary, I've yet to work with.
Looking through the slo-mo, it DEFINITELY went thermobaric. That fireball is unmistakenly the near-instantaneous combustion of the AL powder.
The pan hole is much bigger than either of the test pans produced in my video on the ANQN.

With MineMan's consent, I plan to make a short video on this mix (including the thread) as well as the bis-aminonitroguanidinocopper ii nitrate perfect OB complex that I've made.

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Laboratory of Liptakov - 10-1-2021 at 13:14

Mad substance from .MOV. Great work. And fire effect with secondary spark from cables..... :cool:

MineMan - 10-1-2021 at 22:27

Good work! Try uncompressed for DDT. Yes. Aluminum will increase the power substantially. Should DDT in aluminum or copper casing with LLs CHP method of compression.

Laboratory of Liptakov - 12-1-2021 at 08:40

CHP was tested in pretty thin cavity 7mm/8 mm from brass. Wall only 0.5 mm. And works also. But for best reliability is better steel or copper wall 1 mm. For ANQN shlould by thin brass enough I estimate. However with classic ignition hot wire. Using high huge electric shock generator is not practical.
For example in forrest. For laboratory testing is it great. But in fight not.... :cool:

[Edited on 12-1-2021 by Laboratory of Liptakov]

DBX Labs - 12-1-2021 at 22:17

Yeah, I exhausted my 10 grams of ANQN in recent tests with the Al so I’ll have to make some more to record with. I’ve reached out to a local university energetics group which has forwarded the crude data I collected to local military research establishments. Hopefully something will come of it.
I just am personally ecstatic seeing the clear thermobaric detonation on the film I took. Everything works out in theory, and testing confirms it both visually, and quantitatively.
Big thanks to MineMan for idea.

In response to LL, I haven’t been able to get it to DDT from ignition; rather, it burns like a high grade propellant. I can pretty much say with certainty that I don’t have the testing materials required to contain a compressed sample for hot-wire ignition of that sort. Not to say it shouldn’t be tested. What you bring up likely holds great potential.
My ultimate safe go-to primer has rapidly become my BNCP detonators which for my purposes, have little area for improvement.

[Edited on 13-1-2021 by DBX Labs]

MineMan - 12-1-2021 at 23:39

Great job! DDT testing would be easy. Copper tubing from hardware store and a wooden dowel. Use a fuse.

Yes. Of course the aluminum worked. 15 percent is usually the optimal amount for explosive power which is the heat times volume of gas. Being an OB explosive makes this perfect. Although some explosives perform higher at OB- because of CO.

Laboratory of Liptakov - 14-1-2021 at 08:08

I also recommend classic ignition method. According MineMan descriptions. It would be great, if worked it. With an fuse. Metal cavity is important for easy manipulation. For example easy penetration into plastic secondary. With thin plast tube is it difficulty.

MineMan - 21-1-2021 at 13:50

Looking forward to your aluminized test video

ANQ Preparation Issue

Hey Buddy - 10-4-2023 at 07:45

This thread is on ANQN, but ANQ is entroute to ANQN and I have been having issues with ANQ. I was hoping someone else may have seen these issues and be familiar with remedy.

The hang up for me is at the point when the yellow solution of dissolved NQ and hydrazine is either cooled or buffered down to 7 pH with HCl. I have tried both the method of cooling and also tried to reduce pH prior to cooling. I have also attempted to shoot the pH way down to ~2 and brought it back up to ~7-8 with NH4OH. All of this was just attempting to figure out what is going on, but I'm left a little confused. In all attempts the NQ used here is double recrystallized neutral NQ and the hydrazine is from Hydrazine sulfate freebased from NaOH in denatured alcohol.

The NQ dissolves, the solution changes yellow during addition of hydrazine over 15 minutes, then the color strengthens after continued stirring for 15 minutes all at 55 C. The solution does not turn the darker orange that is reported by others. Upon removing from heat to cool, light yellow material precipitates out of solution at around 35 C. The material does not seem to be ANQ as the mp is above 240 C. Its a little fibrous so it appears to be NQ although its form has changed somewhat. In other experiment, after cooling failed during the prior experiment, pH was reduced with HCl while still around 40C, this did not change the precipitation of NQ from happening at lower temp ~35 C. This was repeated again but this time pH was reduced to around 2-3, the material precipitated again on pH reduction and the color of yellow was entirely removed leaving a white mass in clear solution. NH4OH was added and at around pH of 7, the yellow color returns and the mass of precipitated nitroguanidine remains. At no time does the solution turn orange and in all attempts a material precipitates that seems to be nitroguanidine. The material remains and the solution does not redissolve the mass on standing overnight at neutral pH or darken or change color. I believe this nitroguanidine could be recrystallized and used again.

Does anyone know what is going wrong here? The hydrazine is already in slight excess, is it possible that the hydrazine should be in even greater excess?

Or perhaps longer reaction time?

Im not sure why it changes from yellow to white and back to yellow with pH adjustment. ANQ*Cl has a low mp and ANQ also has a low mp. This materials mp is around what NQ would be.

[Edited on 10-4-2023 by Hey Buddy]

I should also mention, I have tried the reaction without any buffering and just allowing it to cool. After around 24 hours the solution becomes more amber in color but there isnt really much precipitate formed at all. This is all at the native reaction pH around 11.

[Edited on 10-4-2023 by Hey Buddy]

underground - 10-4-2023 at 12:34

Hey Buddy, i just saw your message.... Check this out, it may help you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTrBWW_fqe8

Hey Buddy - 10-4-2023 at 14:47

Quote: Originally posted by underground

Hey Buddy, i just saw your message.... Check this out, it may help you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTrBWW_fqe8

I have seen this but that is what is confusing. I am using the same source of synthesis that he is using in the video but I have done something wrong which I can't seem to identify yet. The main striking difference is that in the ANQN video he is seeing a deepening of color to clear orange on standing after neutralization with HCl. Where as in my case, I am seeing clear yellow prior to neutralization then there is opaque precipitate that comes out of solution when adjusting pH. It never gets clear orange. I have achieved an orange solution once, but it was in an experiment with no neutralization at high pH. In that case nothing precipitated out of solution for 2 days of standing. I may attempt to copy the source procedure again and take some pictues. Maybe it will happen once again and i can capture whats going on.

[Edited on 10-4-2023 by Hey Buddy]

I have reviewed the video and writeup based on video. There are some errors. Unfortunately that write up (if actually what was used in video) is a bit short on hydrazine ratio to NQ so it wouldnt be capable of a complete hydrazinolysis. I will instead try the last work up I used but will increase ratio of hydrazine.

[Edited on 11-4-2023 by Hey Buddy]

Problem Solved

Hey Buddy - 10-4-2023 at 21:54

Back in lab on this. I tried the reaction with a little greater excess of hydrazine and used water instead of alcohol. Easily achieved dark orange color. Precipitation of fine material already began after adjusting pH to 7. I believe alcohol somehow prevents the correct reaction and kicks out nitroguanidine. H2O allows it to proceed correctly and smoothly. --Im testing out some ANQ salts as primary explosives. First check is simple cupramine ANQ perchlorate.

[Edited on 11-4-2023 by Hey Buddy]

Raid - 28-4-2023 at 05:14

Does anyone know of a place to get cheap hydrazine hydrate?
I've had a hard time freebasing the sulfate.

specialactivitieSK - 28-4-2023 at 07:55

https://youtu.be/QK_zsRBlkt0

specialactivitieSK - 28-4-2023 at 10:07

Is ANGN enough sensitive as plastic explosive (pib+oil)?

Hey Buddy - 28-4-2023 at 18:04

ANQN is impact sensitive to 10J and 120N on friction according to Klapotke. That sensitivity, 10 J/120 N for ANQN, is comparable to RDX @ 7.5 J/120 N. From what I see, ANQN may generally be more insensitive than a 10 J equivalent. It is definitely mechanically insensitive enough for a Plastic Bonded eXplosive. My immediate concern, without any testing, is possible flame reactivity. If the explosive is bound it can change behavior and ANQN deflagrates in flame contact more vigorously than rdx, in my opinion.

[Edited on 29-4-2023 by Hey Buddy]