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A strange explosive from the Internet

Volitox Ignis - 22-3-2018 at 14:19

Let me preface this by saying that that I have no intention of making any explosives or trying to make them for legal and safety reasons.

I was browsing a Q&A site the other day, looking at various things unrelated to explosives. I eventually came across someone who speaks Portuguese. One of the things that were on his account on the site is this, supposedly a synthesis of some explosive compound.

The picture strikes me as odd. It's in Portugese, but I can understand what it says. Some of the formulas in the process are blurred, and the overall process and choice of reagents just seems odd.

However,I am not knowledgeable in explosives and their synthesis.What are your thoughts on this? Does this look even remotely plausible? And what is this compound even supposed to be?

[Edited on 22-3-2018 by Volitox Ignis]

nitro-genes - 22-3-2018 at 14:58

Seems to be based on the synthesis of acetylene multimers, like was first thought to be the result of acid copper(I)acetylide decomposition. I was under the impression though these were thought to be highly unstable compounds, and IIRC, it was later shown that the products consisted of much more stable fullerenes instead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_acetylenic_carbon

joseph6355 - 22-3-2018 at 16:12

Translating this real quick:

Closed container
25 ºC
Agitate/shake
Ethanol
Pyridine
Cu(NO3)2
-0,5H2

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Filter
12H2O
Decant top/superior layer
Cu(NO3)2
Ethanol: 12H2O

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Hexane
4N2O5
0C
Agitate/Shake
Pressure (??? How much?)

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Volitox, can you provide us with the link to this portuguese website? I'm sure we can dig more into this and maybe do some experiments.

Volitox Ignis - 22-3-2018 at 16:21

Quote: Originally posted by joseph6355

Volitox, can you provide us with the link to this portuguese website? I'm sure we can dig more into this and maybe do some experiments.

It's not exactly its own website. It's literally some guy on Facebook posting things like this non-stop. I came across him while browsing Quora.
But, if you wish:
https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=356969224802908&id...

joseph6355 - 22-3-2018 at 19:19

Quote: Originally posted by Volitox Ignis

Quote: Originally posted by joseph6355

Volitox, can you provide us with the link to this portuguese website? I'm sure we can dig more into this and maybe do some experiments.

He says "TNDTETITN explosive synthesis" but I couldn't find anything about this TNDTETIN.
Maybe he came up with it by himself and this is all theoretical.

Edit: Confirmed, I looked more into his profile and it seems that he is an enthusiast and chemist.

[Edited on 23/3/18 by joseph6355]

[Edited on 23/3/18 by joseph6355]

Microtek - 22-3-2018 at 23:03

Quote:

It's literally some guy on Facebook posting things like this non-stop.

His name wasn't Anders Hoveland by any chance?

It seems to me to be a proposed theoretical synthesis, first producing the carbon skeleton and then addition of -NO2 and -ONO2 via N2O5 in hexane.

I think it looks extremely unstable, and I doubt it has ever been synthesized except on paper.

Bert - 23-3-2018 at 00:26

A long time ago, my master told me: "Free information on explosives from the internet is usually worth exactly what you paid for it".

Present company excepted, of course.

[Edited on 23-3-2018 by Bert]

joseph6355 - 23-3-2018 at 05:43

Quote: Originally posted by Bert

A long time ago, my master told me: "Free I formation on explosives from the internet is usually worth exactly what you paid for it".

Present company excepted, of course.

Maybe its the MOSSAD trying to fish someone into blowing up themselves. It wouldn't be the first time that it happens.

Bert - 23-3-2018 at 07:34

Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.

nitro-genes - 24-3-2018 at 06:30

This also seems like an interesting read.

https://www.chemistryworld.com/opinion/comment/3005172.artic...

Radium212 - 26-3-2018 at 01:09

Weird. I suggest the obvious way to test this out, someone synthesise it. I'm all out of EtOH and hexane, but someone should really look into this.