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Copper Acetate

Romix - 13-9-2016 at 09:28

Reacting copper and its oxides on air slowly with dilute acetic acid, gives blue solution and light blue crystals.

But when boiled, dark green solution produced. Crystals green too and different shaped compare to blue crystals.

Which is acetate, and what's the difference between two salts?

NEMO-Chemistry - 13-9-2016 at 10:20

Copper acetate

Looks like it does have different colours depending on if its anhydrous etc. The dark blue crystals are really pretty, i also like the ones on copper wire, anyway read the wiki article linked it might help.

[Edited on 13-9-2016 by NEMO-Chemistry]

ficolas - 13-9-2016 at 13:18

And you may have light blue impurities (copper hidroxide) in the one you boiled, as there is an equilibrium reaction that shifts to the copper hidroxide with heat.
A better explanation can be found here http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=66247#...
Where I asked another things about copper acetate.

The green crystals ended up being caused by chlorine contamination (in my case) from tap water because I didnt have dH2O then.

Fidelmios - 13-9-2016 at 13:57

Is there a way to separate the Copper Hydroxides out? I sorta made a large batch and don't want to waste 500g of Copper Acetate

ficolas - 13-9-2016 at 14:12

Yes.
The reaction is this one:

Cu(CH3COO )2 + 2H2O+ <-> Cu(OH)2 + 2CH3COOH

So by increasing the amount of acetic acid, you shift the equilibrium to the left. Heat favors the endotermic reaction (formation of Cu(OH)2, do you need to keep the solution cold.

What you can do, is instead of boiling the solution, letting it evaporate. I think you would need to use acetic anhydride or distill the water off to keep the conditions of the solution always acidic enough for copper hydroxide to not form if you want to boil it. And if you use acetyc anhydride, well distill it, boiling is wasteful (and dangerous too, probably?)

Another thing you can do, is recrystalyce it. Copper hydroxide is insoluble, so dissolve the copper acetate in the smallest amount of (normal temperature) water possible (sloooow additions of water at the end!), then filter of the insoluble copper hydroxide, cool it down, and filter your copper acetate precipitate. This will remove other impurities your product may have, at the cost of loosing a bit of copper acetate. I would use acetic acid to do the recrystalization, as this will allow the copper hydroxide to be turned back into copper acetate.

I cant ensure you that the recrystalization will work, since you cant use how water because that would make more copper hydroxide (unless you use acetic anhydride?), and I am not the best person in the forum to give you advice, this is what I know from experience of messing arround with copper acetate, but my knowledge about chemistry isnt that great. So if im wrong in any aspect of the repply, im sure somebody will correct me :)

All in all, the easiest way is dissolving everything in cold acetic acid, an letting it evaporate without heat, easy but slow.

[Edited on 13-9-2016 by ficolas]

[Edited on 14-9-2016 by ficolas]

Texium - 13-9-2016 at 16:00

Quote: Originally posted by ficolas  
The reaction is this one:

Cu(CH3COOH )2 + 2H2O+ <-> Cu(OH)2 + 2HCH3COOH
You've got some extra hydrogens on there. It should read:

Cu(CH3CO2)2 + 2H2O <-> Cu(OH)2 + 2CH3COOH

ficolas - 13-9-2016 at 16:16

Quote: Originally posted by zts16  
Quote: Originally posted by ficolas  
The reaction is this one:

Cu(CH3COOH )2 + 2H2O+ <-> Cu(OH)2 + 2HCH3COOH
You've got some extra hydrogens on there. It should read:

Cu(CH3CO2)2 + 2H2O <-> Cu(OH)2 + 2CH3COOH

Woops I messed up quite a bit there, thanks

crystal grower - 13-9-2016 at 22:12

There are about 2 or 3 threads about copper acetate, wouldn't it be reasonable to merge them?