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Inducing mutations

Pyrovus - 18-9-2006 at 03:31

I'm planning to do some accelerated evolution experiments (probably with yeast), and to do so I'm going to need a way to increase the number of random mutations.

Unfortunately I don't have access to a source of ionising radiation (which would probably be the simplest means), so chemical means would probably be the most practical.

One possibility which springs to mind is Fenton's reagent, which produces hydroxyl radicals and hydrogen superoxide:
Fe(2+) + H2O2 -> Fe(3+) + OH- + OH.
Fe(3+) + H2O2 -> Fe(2+) + HO2 + H(+)

However, I imagine H2O2 would probably be pretty toxic to yeast, plus with all that ethanol for the H2O2 to oxidise it might not be all that efficient. Also this method would generate OH/HO2 in solution, which might have difficulty lasting long enough to get into the yeast cell and interact with the DNA.

Any thoughts/ideas?

not_important - 18-9-2006 at 04:08

`Twould kill the yeast too readily, even though it will make mutations. UV light is better, as are alkylating agents such as methyl iodide or sulfate, nitrosoguanidine, mustard gas, caffeine, colchicine, bromouracil, aminopurine, nitrous acid, acridine orange, proflavin, ethidium bromide.

unionised - 18-9-2006 at 11:59

Actually, yeast is quite well adapted to the presence of H2O2 because it catalyses the decomposition very effectively.
I don't generally recomend the use of mutagens at home- because thery are mutagenic.

nitro-genes - 25-9-2006 at 15:46

Hmmm, never seen musterd gas in any supplier catalogue, although a real mad scientist makes that himself of course...;)

IIRC, the ability of yeast to breakdown H2O2 depends mainly upon the amount of catalase which is present in the peroxisome which in turn depends on the subtrate the yeast is growing on. Another problem may be that hydrogen peroxide is a know inducer of PCD in yeast, although this might just be due to the damage it causes to the DNA. It is known that most mutagen treatments have a high lethality percentage...

A mutagen that might be usefull, and is very common is EMS (ethylmethane sulphonate). It causes transversional point mutions of mainly G->C and A->T throughout the DNA, so it is not completely random. Especially if you are looking for an evolutionary model this migh be a problem, since transitions are much more common to occur naturally, because these are purine->purine and pyrimidine->pyrimidine changes. In real life mutations aren't limited to point mutations alone, so I'm not sure if there are any chemicals that can simulate this diversity, since most favor a particular type of mutation...

So it all depends a bit on the goal of your experiment? :)

[Edited on 25-9-2006 by nitro-genes]

Twospoons - 25-9-2006 at 20:42

Saw an article in New Scientist, where a researcher found that the mutation rate rises in response to cellular stress, with the mutations mostly occuring certain parts of the DNA which were prone to change. So it may not be necessary to add a mutagen - just apply the stress to drive your evolution in the direction you want, and the mutation rate will rise naturally.

not_important - 25-9-2006 at 21:51

Indeed, stress the beasties and when they get tension headaches, give them headache meds with aspirin and caffeine which also causes mutations. You'll be turning out comic book super-heros in no time.

nitro-genes - 26-9-2006 at 01:43

Quote:
Originally posted by Twospoons
Saw an article in New Scientist, where a researcher found that the mutation rate rises in response to cellular stress.


That's interesting, I mean stress simply is the result of an organism to be unable to adapt to it's environment. From an evolutionary perspective the increasing mutation rate under stressfull conditions could be a major driving force to help the species adapt to the stressfull conditions...

Twospoons - 26-9-2006 at 14:04

Precisely. Thats what made the article so interesting - it explained how the genetic material of the offspring could be different to parent(s), and how new genes could spontaneously come into existance in an effort to deal with some new environmental factor. Another anti-evolution argument shot down ...

crazyboy - 30-5-2009 at 17:50

What would be a good OTC source of UV light capable of inducing mutations in microorganisms? What type of stress exactly? High alcohol environments, high/low temps?

I plan on making a yeast strain with high alcohol tolerance (similar to WLP 099) I plan to add yeast to a mixture of alcohol and water than propagate the yeast that survived, add them to another alcohol water mixture with more alcohol and repeat. I believe a mutagen would be useful in this case but it must be fairly mild or the yeast might die.

Any ideas? Ideally the mutagen would be UV radiation or ionizing radiation or possibly high temperatures (or anything that is safe to consume).

[Edited on 31-5-2009 by crazyboy]

chemoleo - 31-5-2009 at 08:07

I remember such research being conducted with E coli: Here, the stress was nutrient deprivation and high temperature - the bacteria were continuously grown in the same medium while the temperature was gradually increased over the course of several days from 37 to 42 deg C. These bacteria had between ~15 mutated genes in order to adapt, as was shown by sequencing afterwards.

As to doing this with yeast, I'd do it as you propose - increase the substance you are after, and see what propagates. Add antibiotics to prevent bacteria from growing. I would not just use EtOH and H2O, you got to have essential nutrients (vitamins) in there, as well as buffer, and at least some glucose.

Rich_Insane - 3-6-2009 at 20:19

If I remember correctly NaN3 is a common mutagen used to induce mutations in a laboratory.

There are some companies that sell sterilizing UV light, but that will kill most single-cellular organisms.

Benzene is a mutagen, as are many other aromatics.

If you want some form of ionized radiation, you could extract the radioactive compound in smoke detectors and build something, but I wouldn't recommend it. I would go with NaN3.

merrlin - 4-6-2009 at 11:32

You might try cannabilizing a CRT or other electron beam source and pointing it at a thin target wall to produce x-rays. You would have to evacuate the chamber, but the path length could be kept short to minimize beam scatter. It should provide a continuous duty source with a reasonable service life. Acceleration voltage and beam current could be monitored.