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cranium - 23-8-2006 at 07:35

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/07/980701082033.ht...

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Wasn't futurenobellaureate right about that? From his post in detritus, I can see that he meant that you can attach sodium chloride ions to a monomer and that would allow for the plastic to change shape, and he was correct.

[Edited on 23-8-2006 by cranium]

jokull - 23-8-2006 at 15:39

Hi

Dear cranium I confess that when I read futurenobellaureate's topic about his so-called polymer I felt quite curious...

However I disagree a bit with you, let me explain myself:
You say that he meant to attach ions to a monomer, it is false, he never did such a suggestion. He clearly says that you can obtain a polymer by means of a procedure which is eloquently described.

I wonder if someone has already read the Science's paper cited in "http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/07/980701082033.htm" If someone has, please attach a copy of the article in order to read it and so we all could know its details.

Since it is well known that we can obtain several polymers with interesting electrical, optical and even magnetical properties, I would like to invite futurenobellaureate to explain his original proposal in depth.

Best regards

Reference Material........

solo - 23-8-2006 at 19:41

Giant Electrostriction and Relaxor Ferroelectric Behavior in Electron-Irradiated Poly(vinylidene fluoride-trifluoroethylene) Copolymer
Q. M. Zhang,* Vivek Bharti, X. Zhao
Science, June26,1998

Abstract
An exceptionally high electrostrictive response (;4 percent) was observed in electronirradiated poly(vinylidene fluoride-trifluoroethylene) [P(VDF-TrFE)] copolymer. The material exhibits typical relaxor ferroelectric behavior, suggesting that the electron irradiation breaks up the coherent polarization domain (all-trans chains) in normal ferroelectric P(VDF-TrFE) copolymer into nanopolar regions (nanometer-size, all-trans chains interrupted by trans and gauche bonds) that transform the material into a relaxor ferroelectric.

The expanding and contracting of these polar regions under external fields, coupled with a large difference in the lattice strain between the polar and nonpolar phases, generate an ultrahigh strain response.

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ethan_c - 24-8-2006 at 00:53

Quote:
Originally posted by cranium
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/07/980701082033.ht...

Check this out!
Wasn't futurenobellaureate right about that? From his post in detritus, I can see that he meant that you can attach sodium chloride ions to a monomer and that would allow for the plastic to change shape, and he was correct.

[Edited on 23-8-2006 by cranium]


Oh, this kills me. First of all, you ARE futurenobellaureate. Reckless and 'mad' as any and all may be, we aren't idiots.
Second of all, Poly (vinylidene fluoride-trifluoroethylene) is very, very, VERY different from combining table salt, hydrogen, and carbon dioxide, or, as you so eloquently wrote it:
Quote:
NaCl -> Na + Cl
H2 + CO2 -> H2CO2
Na + Cl + H2CO2 ->NaH2CO2Cl

Its not that fact that you don't know much of anything that is the problem. Everyone starts that way. It's that you try to pretend like you do.
Read some chemistry textbooks, lurk the forum, take a class, but please stop wasting everyone's time.

woelen - 24-8-2006 at 02:07

The mods probably can see whether cranium = futurenobellaureate or not. If both accounts post from a machine with the same IP-address that is strong evidence for this hypothesis. But ethan_c, I share your feeling. It is just too much of a coincidence that a very new member digs up some old thread from detritus and defends what is posted in that.

[Edited on 24-8-06 by woelen]

Nicodem - 24-8-2006 at 02:21

I already warned two times that Cranium = Futurenobellaureate in two of his threads he started for his distinctive trolling or whatever that thing he does can be called. I can't see how there could be any doubts about his identity.
His discourse and style is completely identical to that of Futurenobellaureate. His trolling technique (or what appears as such) is completely the same and pretty much unlike what I've seen before. He started posting soon after Futurenobellaureate stopped. He is apologetic to a Futurenobellaureate’s post that ended in detritus for very good reasons. His new nickname is in the same context as his previous one (Cranium = big brains = Futurenobellaureate).
Now, does one need to check the IP to realize this is the same person?
I don’t mind his posts. I find them amusing. What I find concerning is that many members fell in his traps and somehow humiliate themselves. Feeding the trolls is really not something that should be encouraged in a scientific forum or not?