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A better demonstration of the Curie temperature

Brain&Force - 11-6-2015 at 10:03

I have some gadolinium metal (20 grams) and one of the demonstrations that is commonly done with the metal is its readily accessible Curie temperature (around 20 degrees C). Below the temperature, the metal is ferromagnetic and can be easily lifted by a magnet. Above the temperature it is paramagnetic and can be lifted by a magnet but not as easily.

This doesn't, however, demonstrate the difference between a ferromagnetic state and a paramagnetic one. I want to be able to do this. The ideal way is to magnetize the chunk of gadolinium below its Curie temperature - this will show that a a ferromagnetic material can be magnetized but a paramagnetic material can't.

I'll need a way to do this, however, that keeps the metal cold and makes it magnetic enough to lift at least a paperclip. Does anyone have suggestions?

Sulaiman - 11-6-2015 at 11:28

In my local science museum (now closed) there was a simple demonstration of curie point that I remember from my early teens;

a thin metal disk (I had no idea what metal) about 100 mm diameter
with a bearing in the middle,
the disk had closely spaced holes of about 5mm diameter punched around the circumference, fairly close to the edge.
the disk was mounted in the vertical plane,
a horseshoe alnico magnet at 9 o'clock
a small gas flame could be moved to heat the edge of the disk at about eight o'clock.
the heat of the flame demagnetised the part of the disk in the flame
(the holes were to minimise heat spread I guess)
and the disk rotated anti-clockwise ... if my memory isn't corrupted.

Morgan - 11-6-2015 at 12:18

I was toying with some Canadian nickels last year and found that if I slowly moved a chain of nickels several feet away from a neodymium magnet the nickel would retain enough induced magnetism to hold/suspend the chain edge-to-edge if I didn't jiggle them too much. But once separated from each other they lost their magnetism. This is a common effect but I suppose heating the nickels would soon bring about paramagnetism or a degradation of the field, sort of as if they had been permanently magnetized and heated. I suspect pure nickel wouldn't make a good permanent magnet, even though it is strongly attracted to a magnetic field.
I don't know how well gadolinium will hold a magnetic field on it's own or take to being a permanent magnet, but maybe you could try the nickel experiment using gadolinium and a neomagnet to temporarily align the spin.
Here's a photo of some nickels being held by a 1 inch neo magnet in plastic bottle caps, separated by the shelf. I would grab the top nickel and carefully move them away from the shelf. But only a few will hold, not all 5. (The bottle caps prevent accidental chipping from collisions.)

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[Edited on 12-6-2015 by Morgan]

Sulaiman - 11-6-2015 at 12:31

I couldn't find a photo of the demo that I mentioned
but this is very similar http://eng-shady-mohsen.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/new-curie-eff...

a variation http://drkfs.net/HEATENGINE.htm

and another https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0detZxDJFbw

lots of them https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=curie+motor

[Edited on 11-6-2015 by Sulaiman]