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GRIM - Grignard Metathesis

vulture - 26-3-2006 at 12:17

I currently have a lab assignment that requires us to synthesize poly(octyl)thiophene.

Dibromooctylthiophene is reacted with a grignard reagent first at which point grignard metathesis occurs, that is, one bromine on the thiophene becomes MgBr, essentially making the thiophene a grignard.

However, I can not find the mechanism through which GRIM proceeds and I have a bit of trouble coming up with one myself. If one assumes methylbromide is produced, that would mean it originates from reaction between a carbokation (from the original grignard reagent) and the bromine anion leaving the thiophene, but this doesn't seem right to me.

Anybody got a good view on this?

Sandmeyer - 28-3-2006 at 02:23

Maybee this is of some help:

http://www.chem.cmu.edu/groups/mccullough/publication/PDF%20...

vulture - 1-4-2006 at 03:37

I know the article, pretty much describes our lab assignment.

Anyway, the paper does not propose a mechanisme for the GRIM, but only for the polymerization.

turd - 1-4-2006 at 05:30

Who cares, as long as it works? :P

http://www.scs.uiuc.edu/denmark/presentations/2005/gm-2005-0...

leu - 2-4-2006 at 04:15

The mechanism is primarily free radical :cool:

turd - 2-4-2006 at 12:58

SET. If you want to be cool, you have to call it SET. :P

Cloner - 4-4-2006 at 00:58

I think of the halogen atoms in organic molecules as being slightly loose, aka, they are in equilibrium with solvated state. I just changed the chlorine for iodine in dibenzylchloride by refluxing with KI in acetone, driven by insolubility of KCl. The thiophenes have a 'tighter' bond with bromine than a benzylbromide has, but less tight than in bromobenzene. The bromine atom merely takes the most stable place out of the equilibrium while the MgX is there to take its place.