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Small observation

Eddygp - 11-6-2013 at 06:37

I have recently discovered a chemical equation that can be balanced in infinite non-proportional ways with some restrictions:

C4H10 + aO2 = bC + cCO + 5H2O

Being the variables as follows:

2.5 < a < 4.5

b=9-2a

c=2a-5

So technically, that yields an infinite amount of solutions (fractions can be used too) for this equation. Examples:

C4H10 + 3O2 = 3C + CO + 5H2O

C4H10 + 4O2 = C + 3CO + 5H2O

C4H10 + 7/2 O2 = 2C + 2CO + 5H2O

And so on...
:D Do any of you know more?


[Edited on 11-6-2013 by Eddygp]

woelen - 11-6-2013 at 07:03

This is nothing special at all, but the underlying mathematics is fairly advanced and beyond high school level (linear algebra, concept of null-space, kernel of matrix). Let me try to introduce some theory without using concepts of linear algebra.

Many equations in chemistry have a so-called one-dimensional solution space. This means that these equations have one degree of freedom. An example is

2H2 + O2 --> 2H2O

You can use any factor, however, so 4H2 + 2O2 --> 4H2O or 0.5 H2 + 0.25 O2 --> 0.5 H2O all are valid. The general form is 2x H2 + x O2 --> 2x H2O, where x is a free to choose parameter.

There are reactions which can be written as a linear combination of two more fundamental reactions. Your reaction is an example of this.

There are two fundamental reaction equations:

(eq. a) 2 C4H10 + 5 O2 --> 8 C + 10 H2O
(eq. b) 2 C4H10 + 9 O2 --> 8 CO + 10 H2O

Your reactions can be any linear combination of these two equations: write x*(eq. a) + y*(eq. b) on both sides of the arrow and you see that you get your example. A nice exercise for you would be to find x and y, such that they satisfy your equation.

Other examples of even higher dimension are:

- Combustion of C4H10 with O2, giving C, CO, CO2 and H2O. This has a 3-dimensional solution space. Try to write down the three basic reactions.
- Reaction of copper with nitric acid to give Cu(NO3)2, NO, NO2 and H2O. This has a 2-dimensional solution space.

You will also like this: http://woelen.homescience.net/science/chem/chemeq/index.html

This is a piece of software, which I have written. It identifies the dimension of the solution space and a nice description of this mathematical phenomenon is given in the tutorial.


There are also reactions, which have a 0-dimensional solution space, although the same elements on both sides are present. An example of such a reaction is

... PCl5 + ... H2O --> ... H3PO3 + ... HCl

If you try to balance this, then you'll find that it is not possible, except for a single solution:

0 PCl5 + 0 H2O --> 0 H3PO3 + 0 HCl

Such reactions cannot occur in reality. My program also detects that kind of reaction equations.

In more technical terms, my program derives an integer matrix equation of the form Ax = Bx, where A and B are matrices depending on the reactants and products used. The vector x is a vector of coefficients in front of the reactants and products. The program then uses an integer decomposition method to find the null-space of the matrix A - B, i.e. it determines the set of possible values for x, such that (A - B)x = 0. For the majority of chemical reactions, this set is 1-dimensional. For the example you provide, this set is 2-dimensional. For combustion of butane to C, CO, CO2 and water, this set is 3-dimensional. The mathematics behind the solving of this equation in integer space is quite advanced and is beyond this short post over here.



[Edited on 11-6-13 by woelen]

bbartlog - 11-6-2013 at 07:06


Starved of oxygen
Butane burns with sooty flame
Give it some more air

PickledPackratParalysis - 11-6-2013 at 07:12

Haiku?

Finnnicus - 11-6-2013 at 08:09

Quote: Originally posted by bbartlog  

Starved of oxygen
Butane burns with sooty flame
Give it some more air


Beautiful.
I think chemistry haiku deserves its own thread.

watson.fawkes - 11-6-2013 at 08:12

Quote: Originally posted by Eddygp  
Do any of you know more?
Black powder sulfur.
See Takeo Shimizu.
Both di-, tri-oxide.

DubaiAmateurRocketry - 11-6-2013 at 10:45

Isnt this situation normal ? Since carbon could be CO or CO2, anything compound that can burn and has C could do that.

IrC - 11-6-2013 at 11:42

The bartender said
to the neutron, “For you, sir,
there will be no charge.”

Eddygp - 11-6-2013 at 12:02

Quote:
You will also like this: http://woelen.homescience.net/science/chem/chemeq/index.html


I couldn't download neither the .exe nor the .abc. My antivirus is "too" great -_- so I'll see what I do about it.

AndersHoveland - 11-6-2013 at 16:12

Quote: Originally posted by woelen  
This is nothing special at all, but the underlying mathematics is fairly advanced and beyond high school level

Not really advanced, but it does take a long time to write them out and do the substitution.

I use to balance these complex equations for fun. With organic oxidation, there is really not much for a point, though, because so many products are possible.

Just an imaginary reaction for practicing equations:

18 AgClO3 + 9Cl2 + 3 I2 --> 18 AgCl + 2 I2O5 + 2 IO2ClO4 + 16ClO2

(Chlorine is known to be able to displace the nitrate from AgNO3 under certain conditions, so it is not entirely beyond the realm of possibility. :P )

[Edited on 12-6-2013 by AndersHoveland]