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Cigarette burning wih KNO3

metalresearcher - 4-6-2011 at 05:04

After my girlfriend quit smoking I used her last cigarettes by soaking them into a saturated solution of KNO3 and then allowed them to dry.
I ignited one by a burning glass and see here the result.
Note: the playback is NOT accelerated, it it real time.

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hissingnoise - 4-6-2011 at 12:53

We're consuming a cocktail of chemicals when we smoke cigarettes as this article makes clear!
And I've noticed that there seems to be more KNO3 in the large light-weight blue Rizlas than in ordinary papers used for branded cigs.

The WiZard is In - 4-6-2011 at 13:20

Quote: Originally posted by hissingnoise

We're consuming a cocktail of chemicals when we smoke cigarettes as this article makes clear!
And I've noticed that there seems to be more KNO3 in the large light-weight blue Rizlas than in ordinary papers used for branded cigs.

April 12, 1994
Ingredients Added to Tobacco in the Manufacture of Cigarettes
by the Six Major American Cigarette Companies *

SCANNED AND YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS!

Take good notes — there will be a test.

The six companies are the American Tobacco Company, Brown and Williamson, Liggett Group, Inc., Lorillard, Inc., Philip Morris Incorporated and R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company.

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quicksilver - 4-6-2011 at 15:26

YES indeed! I unfortunately don't have the AMA article (but I'd bet my wife is going to find it in the next few hours) but there exists difference between pure tobacco* smoke & commercial smoke.
IN practice ALL tobacco products will promote cancer but the cigarette will always lead the pack (no pun; sorry). Chewing Tobacco has some choice problems (loss of lower jaw through cancer - loss of lower jaw is a horrid penalty to pay for a chew) & a DAMN good chance of loss of teeth sooner or later in life [even if quit] after exposure (in individualized sensitive cases). Nasal snuff appears to be the lower cancer causing Tobacco product via route of administration, dosage & dosage frequency, etc. Those few individuals who do not appear to have gotten repercussions from tobacco (& there ARE a few) and live till they are 90, etc.....would possibly have lived much longer and more robustly if they had not ingested tobacco. Similar to those coal miners who avoided Black Lung.

However I had always disagreed with the dramatic comparison of the tobacco addiction with that of the opioids or alcohol. But that's just me & the AMA [that] concluded that "withdrawal" is approx 72hrs which both of the comparisons exceed dramatically. A man can quit when he makes up his mind without going to a "rehab", taking drugs, or what-have-you. Although I see few things wrong with helping suggestions like a patch or those gum or chewable tabs.

* REAL wild leaf tobacco; non-genetically enhanced or chemically cultivated are actually not commercial pipe tobacco or cigars. I had tasted it & it's substantially different than commercial tobacco.

What was the OP attempting to do by dipping the cigarette in KNO3 in any event? Were you just having some fun or was that an example of modern legal pyrotechnics in certain areas.....

[Edited on 4-6-2011 by quicksilver]

Bot0nist - 4-6-2011 at 15:33

Now do one with KClO3.

hissingnoise - 5-6-2011 at 01:39

The potassium salt isn't soluble enough to for much impregnation to occur . . .
Sodium chlorate, though is at least as quick as KNO3!

hissingnoise - 5-6-2011 at 01:57

Interestingly, KNO3 has a supposed anti-aphrodisiac effect and was used, with varying degrees of success, to treat priapism in men and women . . .

The WiZard is In - 5-6-2011 at 05:23

Quote: Originally posted by quicksilver

However I had always disagreed with the dramatic comparison of the tobacco addiction with that of the opioids or alcohol. But that's just me & the AMA [that] concluded that "withdrawal" is approx 72hrs which both of the comparisons exceed dramatically. A man can quit when he makes up his mind without going to a "rehab", taking drugs, or what-have-you. Although I see few things wrong with helping suggestions like a patch or those gum or chewable tabs.

As a former smoker I can tell you it takes two-years before the
temptation to smoke ends. You would be surprised at the number
who stop and then restart 12-18 months latter.

I can not speak to the present, however, 40+ years ago there
was a quantum difference between between wimpy American
cigarettes and European ones.

djh
----
I am reminded of
the woman who when
asked if she smoked
after intercourse,
replied —

I never noticed.

The WiZard is In - 5-6-2011 at 05:26

Quote: Originally posted by hissingnoise

The potassium salt isn't soluble enough to for much impregnation to occur . . .
Sodium chlorate, though is at least as quick as KNO3!

Sodium chlorate if you can obtain it without the fire suppressant,
could be interesting. Barium chlorate is freely soluble
in water.

The WiZard is In - 5-6-2011 at 05:42

Quote: Originally posted by hissingnoise

Interestingly, KNO3 has a supposed anti-aphrodisiac effect and was used, with varying degrees of success, to treat priapism in men and women . . .

Priapism in women?! Hummm ... next time demand
a chromosome test first.

However, strange things happen. I have a copy of this around
here somewhere... I promise not to post the pictures.

SEX ERRORS OF THE BODY: DILEMMAS, EDUCATION,
COUNSELING, by John Money, Ph.D. Baltimore: The Johns Hopkins
Press, 1968, 145 pp., $4.95

ABSTRACT

From his immense storehouse of experience in studying disorders
of sex, the author has prepared a succinct manual. Just as the
student of rare metabolic disorders employs his discoveries to
elucidate normal transactions, Dr. Money describes "the
extremes of what can happen in the morphology and function of
sex [Amen!] .... to enhance .... to give an appreciation of ....
normalcy." Brief descriptions of the many described anomalies of
human sex from the chromosomal, hormonal, and through the
presumably purely psychologic, serve to present the author's
recommendations for management.

The WiZard is In - 5-6-2011 at 05:50

Quote: Originally posted by Bot0nist

Now do one with KClO3.

Now you have done did it, mentioned potassium chlorate
and cigarettes. It gives me licence to post this.....

Donald J Haarmann 8ii95
Originally published in the American Fireworks News

For fools rush in where angels fear to tread.
Uses for potassium chlorate your mother never told you about.

The use of tobacco—the leaves of the plant Nicotiana rustica or
N. tabacum from the genus Nicotiana of the nightshade family has
a long association with the Indians of South America. Consumed
by; smoking (pipes, cigars), drinking, licking, chewing, snuffing, and
enemas, tobacco is one of the several vehicles for ecstasy in South
American shamanism. Although used in combination with other
plants (Coca, Datura, Banisteriopsis caapi) to induce narcotic
trance states, it is often employed by shamans as the sole psy-
choactive agent to transport themselves into the realm of the meta-
physical.

Other well-known nightshades in the service of mankind include
food plants like potato, tomato, pepper, and eggplant, hallucino-
gens like thorn apple, mandrake, henbane, and belladonna, and
several garden ornamentals like the petunia.

Although the shift from sacred to secular use of tobacco is com-
paratively recent . Smoking tobacco in the form of cigarettes is a
twenty-century phenomenon. Too increase the pleasure of smoking
as opposed to its physiological effects, a wide range of chemical
are added to cigarette tobacco. The six major American cigarette
companies list 599 different ingredients they add. Ranging from
fruits oils (almond, anise, clary, ginger, peppermint, tagetes, ....)
inorganic compounds (sodium- bicarbonate, carbonate, chloride,
hydroxide,......) to (4-(2,6,6-trimethylcyclohexa-1-dienyl)but-2-en-4-one).

One ingredient NOT list for use by tobacco companies—potas-
sium chlorate, has been used to increase the physiological effects
of tobacco. S. Dontas and P. Zis, in a 1928 volume of the Wein
Klinische Wochenschrift, report the effects of adding potassium
chlorate to tobacco.

An abstract of their report follows:

[In the course of our experiments on the effects of hashish on
the human organism, a veteran hashish smoker related to us an
interesting story. He said that when he didn't have any hashish he
used other intoxicating substances, one of which was potassium
chlorate. Apparently he mixed the potassium chlorate with tobacco
in order to smoke it.

This report prompted us to investigate whether potassium chlo-
rate actually does have this effect, when administered to the hu-
man organism in the prescribed fashion.

Accordingly, we mixed potassium chlorate in amounts ranging
from 1.5 to 2.5 grams with a common tobacco. We administered it
to be smoked in one or more doses, according to the amount of
potassium chlorate it contained. We call your attention to the fact
that the amount of potassium chlorate in comparison to the amount
of tobacco was not very large, so that most of the potassium chlo-
rate was burned. This also prevented "flash" burning of the potas-
sium chlorate.

By admixing only 0.5 gm of potassium chlorate the tobacco in a
pipe, very strange and remarkable smoke symptoms are obtained
after three or four such doses. All experiments, without exception,
were performed upon consenting subjects.

After the first inhalation heavy coughing is produced via the irri-
tation of the mucous membranes of the respiratory path. Also, the
respiratory movement becomes deeper and less frequent soon af-
ter the first inhalation.

Concerning the digestive apparatus we may note a bitter taste
and heavy salivation, a burning feeling in the pharynx, difficulty in
swallowing, a globus feeling, nausea and sometimes vomiting.

At the same time a paleness in the face is very noticeable. A
blood analysis take either during the euphoria or during the deep
narcosis shows neither methemoglobin nor CO-hemoglobin [carbon
monoxide-hemoglobin complex - Trans.] present in the blood.

The first symptom of the nervous system is a noticeable feel of
heaviness. Headaches, feeling of nausea, and a confusion in the
brain are also noted. A few minutes later the euphoria commences
with an increase in imagination with the content being generally
pleasant. Also a pleasant exhaustion and a cataleptic state. The
subjects refrained from moving and remained in the same positions
for long periods of time. Many showed an enhancement of their
reflexes and in a few a noticeable general or partial muscle tremor
was observed.

These phenomena appeared about ten minutes after the smok-
ing was started and ceased only many hours afterward. Of the
eleven cases we studied, five then had a general and complete an-
esthesia. None of these subjects could be roused from their sleep
by slapping. In the other six cases the sleep produced resembled
normal sleep, in that the subjects could be awakened by slapping.

The narcotic effect lasts anywhere from forty minutes to two
hours. During the period most of the subjects "fantasized", there
was also singing and pleasant contented expression, as evidenced
by the facial coloration. At the same time a few subjects had gen-
eral tremors, while a muscle tension was also observed. Others
exhibited spasms of various muscles especially the M. quadrangu-
laris orbs.

During the "sleep" the pulse was weak and irregular while the
breathing resembled snoring. In one subject, who also slept for
three hours, the narcotic effect was very deep and no stimulus
could rouse him. However, he did respond to heavy stimulation in
the third hours, as noted by his facial muscles. It was impossible to
awaken him at this time, however. When the narcotic effect had
worn off, all subjects awoke feeling well. A slight headache and a
general feeling of exhaustion were the only apparent side effects.
These persisted for six to twenty-four hours after the narcotic ef-
fect. One patient had a dizzy feeling for two days after the experi-
ment, however.

The dose of potassium chlorate necessary to produce the nar-
cotic effect cannot be precisely determined, because it depends
upon the amount of potassium chlorate burned. Generally 05. to 2
grams of potassium chlorate is required to obtain the narcotic ef-
fect, but this must not be burned suddenly, or all at the same time.
The narcotic effect of potassium chlorate has a very small zone
of difference between euphoria and general anesthesia. This is
different from the effects of hashish, where the zone is very much
larger. It is for this reason that hashish smokers prefer hashish to
potassium chlorate. Their experience has shown that potassium
chlorate rapidly produces a general anesthesia which hashish does
not. Moreover, hashish produces a euphoric state of long duration.
It is evident from the above that potassium chlorate when mixed
with tobacco as described above and smoked, produces an intoxi-
cating effect.

An interesting compassion can be made with sheep, cattle,
horses and sheep feed N. attenuata (Coyote tobacco), and N. tri-
gonophylla (Wild tobacco).

“Symptoms appeared almost immediately (less then 15 minutes)
or not for several hours. Larger doses produced symptoms more
quickly. Symptoms are almost entirely nervous in origin and consist
of shaking, shivering, or localized twitching or muscles, especially
about the neck and shoulders, staggering, weakness, and eventual
prostration. The heart action may be violent but the pulse becomes
rapid and weak. Body temperature may be elevated while the ex-
tremities become cold. Vominiton, diarrhea, and abdominal pain
may be noted.” Then the animals died! Some after a few minutes,
while other animals lingered for several days.

It has been estimated that in smoking, up to 30 percent of nico-
tine contained in the tobacco enters into the mainstream smoke,
and that 65 percent to 95 percent of this is absorbed into the body.
Apparently the addition of potassium chlorate increases the
amount of nicotine in the smoke and/or its absorption.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing! Being that my medical
training has been limited too gynecology though the picture study
method, and practical proctology (30 years of working for them). I
am not qualified to suggest trying this at home. My gut feeling,
however, is that this is A REALLY BAD IDEA! Nicotine is an ex-
tremely toxic substance. This may be the last pyro you ever put a
match to.

I am indebted to: Edmund Raszkowski for running down a copy
of the article for me, and to Alex Schuman for translation from the
origional German.

In closing, I would leave you with some advice from the English
Poet - Alexander Pope. (1688-1744)

A little learning is a dangerous thing;
Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring:
There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
And drinking largely sobers us again.

Selected References:

Wilbert, J: Magico-Religious Use of Tobacco among South
American Indians, In Vera Rubin (Ed.): Cannabis and Culture. The
Hauge, Mouton Publishers, 1975, pp439-461

Wilbert, J: Tobacco and Shamanism in South America. New Ha-
ven, Yale University Press, 1987

de Smet. PAGM:, Ritual Enemas and Snuffs in the Americas.
The Netherlands, Centre for Latin American Research and Docu-
mentation, 1985

Crellin JK, and Philpott J: Herbal Medicine Past and Present. vol
II. A reference guide to medicinal plants. Durham, Duke University
Press, 1990.

Lewis WH, and Memory, PF: Medical Botany: Plants affecting
man's health. New York, John Wiley & Sons, 1977

Kingsbury, JM: Poisonous Plants of the Untied States and Can-
ada. New Jersey, Prentice-Hall, 1964

Anonymous: Ingredients Added to Tobacco in the Manufacture
of Cigarettes by the Six Major American Cigarette Companies.
1994.

Dontas, S and Zis P:. Uerber narkotische Wirkungen des mit
chlorsaurem Kalium versetzten Rauchtabaks. (On the narcotic ef-
fect of a mixture of potassium chlorate and smoking tobacco.)
Wein Klinische Wochenschrift. 1928 Nr.5 161-163

Morgan - 5-6-2011 at 09:57

Cigarette burning after wetting by liquid oxygen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t48QWjtoVfw

hissingnoise - 6-6-2011 at 01:52

Quote:

Priapism in women?! Hummm ...

Bit off-topic, but I'm really into close-up visual examination . . .
And you know they're all responsive to, let's say, lingual stimulation!

spong - 14-6-2011 at 01:42

This is stimulating the practical joke area in my brain...

Jimbo Jones - 14-6-2011 at 02:52

Quote: Originally posted by spong

This is stimulating the practical joke area in my brain...

The fuckin cancer sticks....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyUGm6yqKNs

[Edited on 14-6-2011 by Jimbo Jones]

hissingnoise - 14-6-2011 at 08:58

Quote:

The fuckin cancer sticks....

Or the tumescent clitoris?