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Easy way to make phosphorus pentachloride with easy to get reagents

leucine75 - 5-1-2024 at 07:53

Phosphorus pentachloride is hard to obtain but there's a feasible synthesis of it using calcium phosphide and calcium phosphide can be made by the thermocabron reduction of calcium phosphate with carbon the only problem is that it generates co and reacts with water to form phosphine gas but calcium phosphide is heated to 230c with chlorine the calcium phosphide reacts with the chlorine to form calcium 2 chloride and phosphorus trichloroide which will be further oxidized to pentachloride with fairly high yields there is more detail on small scale sysnthis of labatory reagents I'm sorry for my grammar

Maurice VD 37 - 5-1-2024 at 09:26

What is the question ?

leucine75 - 5-1-2024 at 11:11

I'm not asking a questions I am just showing a easier way to make it , am I supposed to ask a question

Sir_Gawain - 5-1-2024 at 11:33

Have you tried this method?

clearly_not_atara - 7-1-2024 at 08:45

Not sure why calcium phosphide would be preferred over a safer transition metal phosphide which does not hydrolyse to phosphine and ferrophosphorous is commercially available.

leucine75 - 7-1-2024 at 15:25

Almost all metal phosphides hydrolysis to phosphine

[Edited on 7-1-2024 by leucine75]

leucine75 - 7-1-2024 at 15:32

I have not tried this method but I plan on soon

Bedlasky - 7-1-2024 at 17:41

Quote: Originally posted by leucine75  
Almost all metal phosphides hydrolysis to phosphine

[Edited on 7-1-2024 by leucine75]


Thats not true. Most metal phosphides don't react with water at all. Only phosphides of highly electropositive elements (alkali metals, alkaline earth metals, aluminium) react with water to produce phosphine (and traces of diphosphane and other polyphosphanes).

[Edited on 8-1-2024 by Bedlasky]

leucine75 - 7-1-2024 at 18:17

My bad I'm not very knowledgeable about transition metal chem

[Edited on 8-1-2024 by leucine75]

woelen - 8-1-2024 at 00:26

I agree with Bedlasky. I have ferrophosphorus and I have Cu3P (copper(I) phosphide). Both are quite inert solids and do not react with water. Even acids, like HCl or dilute H2SO4, do not decompose these phosphides.
On the other hand, zinc phosphide (also a transition metal phosphide) does react with water, albeit slowly. With acids, Zn3P2 gives phosphine more quickly, but not violently.

leucine75 - 8-1-2024 at 09:50

The only bad thing about this process is the potential generation of phosphine I might have to do some experimenting with transition metal phosphides thank you for the idea.

Texium - 8-1-2024 at 11:48

Zinc is a transition metal in name only, though. Chemically, it acts like an s-block metal.

Bedlasky - 8-1-2024 at 14:11

Quote: Originally posted by Texium  
Zinc is a transition metal in name only, though. Chemically, it acts like an s-block metal.


I personally don't consider it as transition metal, because it have full d orbital. That's why it behave mostly like p-block metal. Same for Cd and Hg.