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Periosic table : wht doews it list nonexistent elements ?

metalresearcher - 24-9-2010 at 04:14

The latest 20 years a lot of new elements are synthesized ranging from 100 (Fm) to 118 (Uuo) but the quantities are so small (a few atoms) that no physical and chemical properties can be determined and the 'periodic' nature can only be extrapolated by theory. E.g. element 111 should be very noble (following Cu, Ag and Au) but is never prepared more than a few atoms.
So why are al these 'virtual' elements listed in the PT ? I think it starts from 97 Bk or 98 Cf and upward as these elements never existed in nature.
Other elements like 85 At and 87 Fr are never prepared in weighable quantities and thus no properties are known, but these do exist in nature in VERY MINIMAL quantities as a decay product of more stable higher elements such as Th and U.

What are your opinions on listing these elements ?

ScienceSquirrel - 24-9-2010 at 04:49

The periodic table is used by physicists as well as chemists so we will just have to learn to share politely :)
A little bit of astatine chemistry is known and it is very similar to iodine as you would expect.
An interesting and almost entirely man made element on a terrestrial basis is technetium. It is made as a byproduct in nuclear reactors and there are now tons of it in storage. It is moderately radioactive but the chemistry is extensive and well described.

metalresearcher - 24-9-2010 at 07:39

But Tc (and 61Pm) do also exist in very small amounts in some stars and here on Earth it exists as decay product of U and Pu. so these are not entirely man made.

ScienceSquirrel - 24-9-2010 at 08:49

Quote: Originally posted by metalresearcher  
But Tc (and 61Pm) do also exist in very small amounts in some stars and here on Earth it exists as decay product of U and Pu. so these are not entirely man made.


What I said. Please read my posts before replying to them!

bquirky - 24-9-2010 at 10:24

My ignorant response might be simply. Where else would you list them ?

blogfast25 - 24-9-2010 at 12:28

There is (or at least was, last time I looked) some hope to reach an 'island of stability' among the super heavies, where one or two would show unexpected stability and the promise of making microscopic amounts might be a reality some day... Not sure whether our physical brothers have delivered on that yet... The day, say UuoO2, will be available on eBay may be a considerable distance away yet. :D

psychokinetic - 24-9-2010 at 15:27

Mendeleev made up heaps of elements.

And he was pretty damned right about them.