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E&W Forum stagnating?

Polverone - 31-7-2002 at 21:20

When I first discovered Megalomania's Explosives and Weapons Forum last fall it seemed vibrant with experimentation and discussion. Lately it seems that things have slowed to a crawl there. The Issues and Opinions area is still lively, but other sections have relatively little traffic, and even less of that is novel or interesting. It is painful to see such a decay take place, like watching a dear aunt go senile.

What's wrong? I have my own personal theory. There's a relatively narrow selection of known, useful explosives. A relatively narrow selection of those are suited to amateur manufacture. Since few people are experimenting with exotics and the common explosives have already been discussed to death, there isn't much room for growth. Sure, there's improvised weapons, but that section has always struck me as sort of the "Let's Play Make-Believe" section of the Forum, as opposed to the practical and tested information of other sections. Chemical weapons are of great (theoretical) interest to me. But they don't do anything that's aesthetically pleasing - unlike explosives - and they're even more hazardous (both legally and physically) than typical pyro experimentation. They are also more difficult to synthesize. There's no real way to test them that doesn't involve killing something. So, basically, people could discuss them, but there are many disincentives to actual experimentation. And people don't even really discuss them much. Note Megalomania's tantalizing promises of further chem weapon info over the last few months with no results thus far.

The "low hanging fruit" of interesting and easily amateur-accessible compounds has already been plucked. Redundant posting is strongly discouraged on the Forum. Thus the conversation goes in to slow motion, with the exception of Issues and Opinions (since you need no special qualifications to hold an opinion). I am reminded of the more general problem faced by any intelligent and aspiring individual in this day and age: to make a name for yourself, to discover something interesting, you not only have to make use of everything that your forebears discovered, but you have to find something noteworthy that the long line of intellectual explorers preceding you MISSED. You can't just match them. The world doesn't need a third discoverer of calculus. Newton and Leibnitz will forever get the credit, whether or not you come up with their principles on your own. You have to be beyond Newton and Leibnitz to be a math genius. You have to be better than Davy, Pasteur, Liebig, and Lavoisier to be a giant of chemistry. But let's not kid ourselves. Very few of the researchers currently publishing are the modern equivalent of Berzelius. The only reason they are able to publish anything is that they keep plumbing the depths of minutiae. They end up writing articles like "Significant Enhancement of Electron Transfer Reduction of NAD+ Analogues by Complexation with Scandium Ion and the Detection of the Radical Intermediate-Scandium Ion Complex." If you'd been born half a dozen generations earlier you might be the DISCOVERER of scandium, and have at least a chance of later generations remembering you. But the earlier generations grabbed all the glory and you're left picking through the crumbs until a new frontier opens up. We have the richest selection of refined knowledge and the poorest selection of new areas for exploration at any time in history - "we" in my definition including everybody who has an interest in chemistry but but less than a six-figure budget and no desire to join the Annals of Irrelevance writing about the mechanism of yet another obscure reaction.

But back to the E&W Forum. The general chemistry discussion is a potential way to open up more conversations, but it seems that so far it's just information on explosive and chem weapon precursors, for the most part. I had always maintained an idealized vision of the average Forumite as a chemistry enthusiast who happens to enjoy explosives. Maybe I was wrong. Maybe the average Forumite is actually a pyromaniac who has enough discipline to endure the "vegetables" of chemistry before getting to the "dessert" of explosions. Maybe they like chemistry only as much as the teenager who wants a car likes the fast food service industry.

In any case, the Forum seems to have reached a sort of equilibrium. What can be done to disturb the equilibrium? New laws and regulations might upset it. There might be quite a few new avenues explored if, for example, hydrogen peroxide became a controlled chemical. You see this effect clearly with the clandestine drug chemists. They always have to be prepared to go the next step, to add yet another precursor, as the law tries each time to close the noose with new restrictions. The Forum's server could crash and all its backups be wiped out in a fire (not likely), in which case all the old regulars, plus plenty of newbies, would be able to discuss everything that had been lost to the great electronic dustbin. The Forum could become a sort of more general storehouse of "forbidden knowledge" of all sorts. Start stitching together publicly available documents on nuclear weapons (as some private enthusiasts have done) to create a comprehensive picture of nuclear weapons more accurate than anything openly published to date. Mirror all chemical weapon patents. Use FOIA requests to investigate and expose the more colorful adventures of the military and national intelligence gathering/law enforcement agencies. Sort of take on some of the same roles as the Federation of American Scientists, only be deviant about it. Of course I think this would take too much effort and coordination for the loose collection of "Forumites" to really make this work. It would need a tighter, more focused group.

Anyway, that's my rambling take on the situation. I know that many of those here are regular or at least occasional Forum visitors. How do you feel about its decline? I've been there less than a year. Maybe this is a seasonal thing.

raistlin - 2-8-2002 at 10:01

Ive noticed the same thing, and Ive only been there a short while.


vulture - 5-8-2002 at 10:50

There's still alot to be done in pyrotechnics section. So far only some mixtures have been discussed but no real construction projects like making starmines, shells and mortars. I find this the hardest part of pyrotechnics, because chemistry and thus chemical calculations are too easy for me.

Pyrotechnics

Polverone - 5-8-2002 at 13:52

Oh, there's definitely room for growth in the pyrotechnics area. I'm not sure it will happen, though. Google's archives of rec.pyrotechnics can answer almost any question the beginner would have, when combined with web based resources and the odd book. Ooh, this reminds me: I've just ordered the classic, out of print "Military and Civillian Pyrotechnics" through interlibrary loan and I will be scanning it soon. I know I said I was sick of scanning, and I am, but this is less than 500 pages and it's so good... Anyway, look for an announcement here and on the Forum when it's ready for download.

There is a lot more in the way of craft to pyrotechnics. There's relatively little overlap between pyrotechnics and high explosives, and a lot more manual labor involved for the pyro (when working on an amateur scale). But I do agree that fireworks are great. I'd love to make rockets, shells, star mines, etc. but I barely have any room left to store my chemistry stuff, much less adding specialized pyro equipment. One of these years, when I have more space to work, I'd love to become more proficient with them. So far most of the E&W Forum pyro discussions have been (IIRC) about smoke, salutes, and black powder, which represent only a small subset of pyrotechnics. I don't think the Forum will attract many really skilled pyrotechnicians because most of them do not approve of amateurs who make high explosives. I experimented with pyrotechnics for 5 years before I even tried primary explosives and I still think they're great. They're also a much safer way to get a little experience with energetic materials than whipping up some acetone peroxide.

PHILOU Zrealone - 7-8-2002 at 10:11

I think as soon as I'm up to date here, I'll come back there to wake them up!
The main problem form me is that first I had the
Alt.engr.explosives forum
then the Forum
and I have found various interesting chem forums...but the more you take, the less you do...hard to be present on all fronts.

Also I had enough time to be 100% present in 2 forums; and now (I work 8h/day) and I stil have friends, and experimentation to do, and maybe a girlfriend and an E-mail and... so when you have 10 forums, it's a bit hard to be as present as before.
I'm really the kind of guy that has interest in unknown,unmade,... explosives; and I'll try to activate a bit the F&W forum!

PH Z

kingspaz - 9-8-2002 at 09:54

well don't worry this thing does happen at the forum from time to time. people all have their projects and will make new discoveries. it allways happens. in a few weeks time i hope to be making a few new topics as i finish off my projects.

Dang...

vulture - 9-10-2002 at 08:42

My visits to the forum just stagnated because I have been banned apparently...:mad:

You've been banned?

Polverone - 9-10-2002 at 11:10

How do you know? Do you just have trouble logging in? Did you anger any mods? I don't visit very often anymore so I don't know what's been happening lately.

vulture - 9-10-2002 at 11:57

I dunno, I havent been active for a few days. I'm still logged on but when I try to post something it says your proxy has been banned...:mad:

I did not get banned because of something I posted, I don't understand...

a_bab - 10-10-2002 at 07:41

They ban IP's, so probable they banned an IP class which includes your ISP, hence the inconvenience. Try to mail Mega or other mod.

raistlin - 14-10-2002 at 16:45

I had the same problem a few days ago, but restarting the computer worked just fine, then again I have a dynamic IP address so that could be the case....

hey!

flickedbic - 15-10-2002 at 16:13

I'm not a member of roguesci.org and now i'm not allowed to view the content w/ out joining. I bit the bullet and tried to join, but they said they werent excepting any new members. WTF is going on here?:mad:

Hoffmann-LaRoche - 15-10-2002 at 17:10

i experienced the same, as i am not a member of E&W too.
I have my own theory about this....i remember that this finnish mall bomber who blew himself up in the middle of a crowd, was also member of E&W(his nickname on several forums was "rc", referring to "the mall bomber" thread here).

It was about the same time this event happened in finland, when mega stopped the "guest-feature" of the board and also stopped registration of new members.

And this cannot be chance, in my opinion.
I just hope mega stops panicing soon...

HLR

Polverone - 16-10-2002 at 00:22

He doesn't want a surge of new members who are A) just joining to dig for information on rc or B) joining because they heard of the rc-E&W connection and want to be mad bombers themselves. I'm sure the restrictions will be eased eventually...

Flying Dutchman - 30-10-2002 at 04:10

so am I the onlyone having trouble coming on RogueSci? I can't get up there! it says : RougeSci is closed for the 28th and a login screen comes up but if I fill in my username and password it won't accept it!
let me know if somebody has the same problem.
ps this doesn't mean I have been baned is it:(?


Polverone - 30-10-2002 at 09:24

I've been having this problem for the last 3 days also. I'm not sure what's going on.

Flying Dutchman - 30-10-2002 at 10:47

Yeah this mess started at the 26th now being the 30th it's been offline for 4 days!
:(


warpig969 - 30-10-2002 at 13:43

Possibly because of the Mall bombing in finland, E&W and a couple other forums are down or only allowing access by members because the guy got his info from there and they dont want ppl readin wha he ssaid or goverment getting into the suff

Flying Dutchman - 30-10-2002 at 14:03

Well let's all hope they are just updating:D
Making the libary and stuff like that...


Anthony - 30-10-2002 at 15:10

Don't worry, theforum has not be shut down, crashed, abducted, hijacked by pirates or anything else worrying or amusing.

The reason for the downtime is unrelated to the RC incident and theforum will back online on the 1st of Nov.

BTW don't try entering your username/password into the box that pops up - it won't work.

Vulture - do you use an online proxy/web anonymiser? If so, a number of them are banned to prevent members banned by IP from still accessing. You personally haven't been banned!

vulture - 31-10-2002 at 05:44

It has already been solved Anthony, I have a static IP adress and I don't use anonymisers, since they are as fast as my crippled grandmother without a wheelchair...

Good news

trinitrotoluene - 1-11-2002 at 23:55

The good news i have is i've recived an email from meglomania and he said the site is back. Heres what I recived on my mail.

Just a reminder, The Explosives and Weapons Forum is back open after being closed a few days for general maintenance. However, we have another planned outage sometime in the near future, we don’t know when, or for how long, but it will happen.

To our newest members, be patient you can begin discussion soon enough. There are a lot of you, so we will be watching. Make sure you read the rules so we may proceed, as always, with civilized discussion.

Yours truly,

Megalomania, webmaster of Rogue Science- All the knowledge “they” don’t want you to have.


Maintenance ?

Arthis - 16-11-2002 at 15:05

Well roguesci.org seems to be off now. That's pretty bizarre, don't you think. I went to the E&W forum just yesterday, and today password is needed to log in. Since I'm a registered user, and frequent poster, it seems that it's closed for a while to all non-maintenance people.

I'm wondering what is to be done on it to oblige Mega to close it for several weeks ?!

Maybe an admin could tell us ? I'm refering to Kingspaz...

Not even an email to notify us about the problems or whatever... Could be cool to know, huh ?

Nick F - 17-11-2002 at 04:46

Access is restricted to staff only while Mega does some routine tinkering. Fear not, it'll be back soon.

Arthis - 17-11-2002 at 09:42

Thanks mister for this comforting information.

A more question (how the hell can I be so curious ?) : how do you know this information ? We know that some maintenance had to be done soon (said Mega), but how are you sure ? Personnally know an admin ?

The_K5 - 17-11-2002 at 11:19

Who are actual member 2&1 at E&W-Forum
above megalomania ??
:P

Nick F - 18-11-2002 at 11:48

I know because I'm a moderator there, I just chose to have a different name here.
Member #'s 1 and 2 are, I believe, default accounts set up by the board software.

DeusExMachina - 20-11-2002 at 14:53

roguesci is one of the best forums out there if not the best. I don't post here or there too much though because I don't know as much some of the other people so I get discouraged. I usually just stick to TOTSE and Xinventions. I hope Roguesci will beback up soon.

Eliteforum - 22-11-2002 at 20:20

I wouldn't say that it was one of the "best forums".

I do agree that it's beginning to stagnate though.

After all, there is only so many times you can talk about the same explosive.

Mega's attempt to "revive" the forum as it were went laughingly wrong, posting all those old "archived topics" back to the surface to get new "replys" to them.

Nice try, didn't work though. I don't think more than 5% of the forum read them.

I know a few improvements that would boost the forum's posting and popularity 10 fold in a matter of days if one thing was put right.

And I've seen a lot of member's come and go. The only one's worth caring about were the long time members that left.

Now the forum seems overloaded with kewls "comforming" to the forum "rules"

That in it's self is laughable!

DeusExMachina - 23-11-2002 at 22:09

they could also let some new people learn instead banning and making fun of them right away. I used to be a kewl that thought everything in the anarchist's cookbook was true but TOTSE members let me learn and I am very educated in the subject now

Microtek - 24-11-2002 at 03:48

Eliteforum: Have you tried leafing through PATR 2700 ? Or perhaps another compendium of explosive substances ? The explosives that are discussed most ( both at roguesci, alt.engr.explosives and probably most other places ) are the common ones, those that are used by industry or militaries around the world. But there are litterally thousands of explosive substances, some of which are well within the scope of amateurs. Just consider the wealth of diazo-compounds, or how about something like benzene triozonide which was reported in 1920 and develops 25% more energy than NG and has a much higher VOD than ordinary explosives. Its sensitivity is on the level of NI3 so it isn't really practical but there are other benzene derivatives which also attatch three ozone groups to the ring.....
All in all I'm just saying that the field is huge. We have only just scratched the surface at roguesci.

Nick F - 24-11-2002 at 07:46

I was just going to start a topic about secondary ozonides to see if anyone had played with them. The benzene/ozone addition product looks to be very dense, but just imagine the sensitivity and instability! I bet ether peroxides would be stable by comparison.

Eliteforum, as I say to everyone of your opinion, stop complaining and make some useful contributions yourself!

"they could also let some new people learn instead banning and making fun of them right away."
We do let new people learn, if they're not idiots. But if, after having a two week waiting period to familiarise themselves with the rules, and an e-mail telling them to read the rules, they still break them on their first post, should they really be allowed to stay? Would they be safe messing with pyro or chemistry if they can't follow simple instructions like "read the rules"? No, of course not. And it is the fact that they are not allowed to stay that makes the Forum the best place for discussing practical explosives. Sure, there may not be much theoretical chemistry there, but that's not primarily what the place is for. That's why I post here as well, the Forum is for practical advice on known explosives. The Forum doesn't want a load of people to start topics about compound X that they've just imagined, and think might be explosive. Although such topics can be interesting, they rarely provide anything useful.

Sorry, I've gone off on a bit of a rant, I know. But it annoys me when people say things like "The Forum's stagnating and doesn't have anything interesting blah blah blah", when they themselves have provided relatively little of interest.

DeusExMachina - 24-11-2002 at 09:27

so if they are soooo dumb and can't go by the rules, it's better to let them go and read fake or dangerous text files? You are right in a way but roguesci is not growing because people can't even post new topics just because it was discussed like 5 months ago and even if the topic is still alive, people get off topic.

kingspaz - 24-11-2002 at 09:48

DeusExMachina, the forum has been around for probably near 4 years now, maybe longer. have you ever run such a successful forum? i think not. you are not one to critisise the way in which it is run. it is run the way it is for a very good reason. in short, we have learnt from past mistakes.

Nick F - 24-11-2002 at 13:29

"so if they are soooo dumb and can't go by the rules, it's better to let them go and read fake or dangerous text files?"

A normal ban does not stop people from being able to read the Forum's contents, it just stops them from annoying us. Even if we treated them to a special, custom ban, it wouldn't stop them from going to a library, or searching patents, or looking at a different forum, etc.

"You are right in a way but roguesci is not growing"

We do not want to grow just for the sake of growing. Growth in terms of the number of topics is only an advantage if the topics discuss seperate things. Otherwise the only effect of growth is to dilute the information present. I personally would rather see all posting stopped and have the Forum "frozen" as it is now as a source of information than have it get clogged up with topic after topic on the same subject.

"because people can't even post new topics just because it was discussed like 5 months ago and even if the topic is still alive, people get off topic."

What would be the point in starting a new topic if the subject was discussed five months ago? Just search for any old topics relating to what you want to discuss, and revive one. If they have got off topic, steer them in the right direction. If they are seriously off topic, a moderator will edit posts accordingly.

Anthony - 25-11-2002 at 02:52

Theforum is down for another reason in addition to the maintainance - as indicated by the login box.

We had to change host servers, not because we got kicked off or anything. The host is upgrading its software and hardware, with new Uberleet machines with hyper-threading and other assorted goodies. They cannot transfer the account contents wholesale to the new machines because of compatability issues and the risk of transfering bugs. Thus we had to manually create new accounts transfer everything and fiddle with the settings. Due to the complex nature of UBB and the hacks Mega has performed on it, things have gotten somewhat confused with the new host. No data will be lost, it is just a matter of time to get it all working.

Then theforum will be back for your enjoyment and education :)

Those archived threads were reposted so that they could be searched as part of theforum, and provide reference. They were only archieved in the first place as there was not room for them on the host. But when your disk space quota goes up tenfold, then it no longer makes sense to not have them integrated.

The staff too know of ways to increase traffic exponentionally, but kiddie porn seekers aren't really the kind of members theforum is after...

DeusExMachina - 25-11-2002 at 09:53

"What would be the point in starting a new topic if the subject was discussed five months ago? Just search for any old topics relating to what you want to discuss, and revive one. If they have got off topic, steer them in the right direction. If they are seriously off topic, a moderator will edit posts accordingly."

Yes but what if you want to post about what happened in your experiece and not in topics that talk about other people's experience? I don't think you should be worried about kewls. NBK will take care of them just fine and posts that people like NBK make will just scare them away. I don't go to RogueSci much because I can't understand half the things people are talking about.

I would like to say one more thing. The Forum is a great place to learn so I think the members/mods/admins should allow even the kewls to stay. I was a kewl at once and I'm sure everyone started out like that. Wiouldn't you want people to stay at rogue sci and learn GOOD things instead of learning about making fertilizer bombs that don't work? Some day if kewls will be able to stay at the forum to some extent, there will be a lot more people like NBK and that might lead to people like us getting more freedom.

madscientist - 25-11-2002 at 10:15

That's like admitting unusually intelligent toddlers into Harvard, reason being that they likely will become excellent students once they mature into adults.

If a forum allows itself to be flooded with idiocy, then the intelligent people will leave, causing that forum to degenerate into nothing but a bunch of fools arguing about who is the most pathetically ignorant idiot.

Every quality forum needs moderation if it's going to maintain its status.

I think that the quality of discussion at the E&W Forum has suffered considerably ever since nbk2000 began to have a significant influence over board politics. Discussion is no longer just about having fun with explosives; it's more directed around using the explosives to injure. I know that E&W people are currently thinking to themselves, "Absolutely not, our policy is merely to inform!" But the truth is that that policy really doesn't describe the form of discussion that takes place. Example: responses to the rnc crisis were often met with (hopefully empty) threats such as "They should know better than to mess with us, after all, we could really raise some hell!" Repulsive and lame. Also, the discussion has transistioned into the following sort: "I followed this recipe, I got this inert gunk, what did I do wrong?" Most of the explosive compounds that are realistic to prepare and use consistantly have already been prepared - the research phase is mostly over (but not completely over). Look at the size of some of the threads for evidence of that. I'm not saying that I own the website and that I demand that changes be made in the direction that I suggest. Although I'm not a moderator there, I don't contribute to the discussion, and the direction the E&W Forum takes won't affect me the slightest, I still do have an opinion to share. :)

Axgrease - 25-11-2002 at 11:24

I just joined up to agree with a couple points mentioned..

First .. the great long 100's of reply threads are stupid and never stay on topic, why try bring it back on topic if anyone who want to read has to wade through 100's of posts of irrelevant crap?

My pet hate is the "I didnt think this was important enough to make a new thread so i posted it here" types of posts ..... So why would it help people to open up a great thread to get to your unimportant post? If its unimportant either dont post it or give it a new topic so people can decide if its worth reading or not. If not it will be turfed to the bottom of the list as noone replies.

I really think its the posting everything vaguely related to a topic in the same thread that has made the E&W forum boring now! as people are too scared to make new specific posts, the threads resemble more of a chat board then a forum with everyone talking about something else.

What is the reason for not wanting more specific threads? does it take up too much room? i dought it.. Try doing a search on something and you will be directed to one mega-thread with a totally irrelevant title.

And yes, its a shame that its now its considered 'kewl' to talk of doing things for fun rather then the now accepted reason of killing people or damaging property ... wtf is with that?

DeusExMachina - 25-11-2002 at 14:32

I guess a lot of people are like me, they are scared to post new topics because they will be closed. Another reason why the forum is not growing or getting any more good posts is that almost everyone there is a little too smart for most people. I know this sounds stupid and a lot of people won't understand what I am talking about but people that know a lot about pyrotechnics/chemistry/explosives like me, still can't post there because not everyone is an NBK or whatever. People like me can't learn a lot more because of other reasons listed in this thread. I have to stick with TOTSE and Xinventions which are still great places but staying there will never take my learning as far as one's would go that went to RogueSci or here frequantly.

Anthony - 26-11-2002 at 04:58

DeusExMachina, and others, there isn't a minimum IQ quota for forum membership! You certainly don't have to be some kind of NBK clone. You also don't have to be greatly knowledgable in all areas. Fo9r example, I have a personal weakness in general chemistry, so I don't contribute to threads where people are hashing out formulas for new synthesis'. Stick to the areas you do know, and you usually start picking up those you don't.

Similarly, theforum doesn't deny kewls knowledge and learning, all that's asked of *anyone* is to follow the rules.

If a thread is hopelessly off topic, and unrecoverable, then make a new one and say so. No one will mind as long as the thread was worth making. For example, if a thread about ANFO has turned into talk about beastiality, then you *shouldn't* post a new thread saying "btw, where can I get AN?". It would be fine to post a new thread saying "I tried the ANFO, as stated in that thread and found that the addition of 0.5% BBQ sauce doubled cap sensitivity" or whatever.

Yes, everyone was a newbie, even a kewl at one point. But those who transgressed were the ones who kept their heads down and learnt, and then moved seamlessly into being a functioning forum member.


Denied permission to edit, so new post:

Anthony - 26-11-2002 at 08:35

I forgot to mention that theforum is most definitely about the enjoyment of E&W and the scientific/physical knowledge regarding them.

Just because a minority of members hypothesises about using things to harm people does not mean that is the expected or even accepted way!

Axgrease - 26-11-2002 at 10:51

There are people with great knowledge on the board, but a seed must be sown to get that knowledge out.

One must realise that even if a post is lame, or hasnt been thought through, with the wide knowledge base within the forum, if its left alone it will be corrected and expanded. With knowledgeable members a post that asks a question or asks for input, should always end better then it starts. This isnt allowed to happen anymore.

You can claim that if its a legit question it can be posted as a new topic, but in reality that doesnt happen, the arrogance of the mods and the mentality that they have to search and destroy which is encouraged by hysterical members caught up in this mentality has forced the practical discussions to become rare.

Now it either has to be some super weapon that the military can even make or a method of killing/robbing someone. Both of which can hardly be called practical knowledge.

Now the lamest posts are made by the higher status members who seem to be exempt from these "rules", example, the bit of pipe butted up against the tree with a ball shoved down the barrel .. even had "improvised weapons" in the title, yet was posted in the demolitions section. If that wasnt an improvised weapon nothing is, thats an instant ban for anyone else. And the "mod" who wanted a booby trap to hurt someone entering a room, what form of bullshit post was that.

These double standards hardly improve the forum.. If i was to post this there I would be guaranteed a ban under the screams of "dont disrespect a mod", pathetic.

Anthony, you have typically been the exception and i do applaud you for even responding here. But a question, do you think the forum has slowed down and become less interesting?

Nick F - 26-11-2002 at 14:08

Axgrease: lol, I know what you mean. I hate the "I didn't think it deserved a new topic so I'll post it here" things! Well, they're OK if they're on topic, but they often aren't!

"I really think its the posting everything vaguely related to a topic in the same thread that has made the E&W forum boring now!"

No, I disagree. I like the way that topics evolve and move on to related things, as long as they ARE related to the original topic in some way! Unfortunately they often aren't...

Lol, it almost made me laugh when all that RC stuff was going on, and people were saying "they shouldn't mess with the Forum, we could raise hell!" etc. I agree, those kind of people are pathetic. As if they'd do anything except shit themselves if a swat team burst into their room at night!
Unfortunately an Explosives and Weapons Forum will always attract stupid young adolescents (not implying that all young adolescents are stupid, just that it does attract the stupid ones and the kewls), who will always think it's cool to act "hard" like that.

I would like to point out that you should never be scared of posting a new topic, provided that you HAVE followed the rules, ie searched first. You can normally find a topic that you can fit it into, and if not then as long as it's not just a stupid question and does actually bring up something new then you can start a new topic. The trouble is that we often get people who think that their ANFO tests are in some way different to other people's ANFO tests and deserve a seperate topic (for example). Like the guy recently who posted ANOTHER rocket topic on top of the two or three ones that were already active. It wasn't new, no novel propellant or stabalisation method, just a normal rocket. And even he didn't get banned, despite being a newbie, until he argued with my decision to close the thread. So you see, we're not all that harsh really. Well, except NBK ;)

And to those that think that the Forum is elitist: search for some of MY old posts. Hopefully not kewl, but not amazingly knowledgable. I just kept by the rules, didn't do anything stupid, learnt all I could, and was a moderator within a year.

And like Anthony says, if you JUSTIFY why you made a new topic, then it makes it clear that you had a reason and didn't just go ahead and post it without thinking. Then even if it is a truly stupid topic you'll just be told to discuss it elsewhere and the topic will be closed. You won't be banned.

Axgrease, I see what you're saying about leaving lame topics open to see if anything good comes of them, but the risk is that a lame topic will just spout more lame stuff!

"You can claim that if its a legit question it can be posted as a new topic, but in reality that doesnt happen, the arrogance of the mods and the mentality that they have to search and destroy..."
I must dispute that. The mods do not go out wanting to find and ban kewls! We want to find good new members. Legit questions CAN be posted as new topics, that's the point I've been trying to make! But by "legit", I mean that there must be a reason for it to be in a new topic, you can't just put it in a new topic because you feel like it!

"Now it either has to be some super weapon that the military can even make or a method of killing/robbing someone. Both of which can hardly be called practical knowledge."
Also, both totally untrue. If you have something interesting to discuss about theoretical chemsitry (for example) that has a purpose in the field of E&W, even if it's a proposed method to make some obscure precursor for some obscure explosive, then I for one would be totally happy to discuss it with you, as would probably all the members. Most people dislike topics on super weapons (because they're out of our reach) or ways to kill/rob people (because most, and certainly most of the best, Forumites are pacifists).

"Now the lamest posts are made by the higher status members who seem to be exempt from these "rules", example, the bit of pipe butted up against the tree with a ball shoved down the barrel .. even had "improvised weapons" in the title, yet was posted in the demolitions section. If that wasnt an improvised weapon nothing is, thats an instant ban for anyone else. And the "mod" who wanted a booby trap to hurt someone entering a room, what form of bullshit post was that."
Hmmm... I can't comment on that, I'm not familiar with the threads you're talking about.
But it is true that respected members get away with more, simply because they have earned their respect and everyone knows that their not idiots. But if someone posts something stupid/irrelevant and it is their only post, then because we don't have any other contributions from them then it is reasonable to assume that that is the standard of contribution that they're capable of, so they get banned. If you've shown yourself to be worthy of membership, it is actually quite hard to get banned (unless you actually try!).

~ Nick F / Mr Cool.

Anthony - 26-11-2002 at 14:40

I cannot say for sure if it is less interesting or not. But to me it still is interesting, and the first forum I read when I go online. It's hard to tell because I lose interest in different subjects over time. But theforum has remained my favourite site for longer than any other.

As for whether it has slowed down, again I'm not sure, but maybe it has a little. But this may to the fact that threads tend to run for longer now (so fewer threads) and also because there are more sections now (less traffic in each, plus when you see a section hasn't been active for a couple of days, it does feel rather empty). Statistics do show the contary though, there are more visitors and more new signups than ever before.

You do have a number of valid points, but that's just the way some things are sometimes. For example, yes, long-term members do get cut some slack e.g. flaming, OT posts etc. It's just like in society. BTW, theforum rules are intended to reflect the workings of your average civilized society.

Honest and justified criticism (inc. suggestions for improvement) should be ok in Forum Matters. I'd like to say that nothing ill would become of the topic starter, but I would guarantee it.

Moderation has been particularly harsh recently as the RC incident brought a flood of new members - many of whom were expected to be trouble-makers.

"which is encouraged by hysterical members caught up in this mentality", you do have a point here. It does annoy me to see members flamming topic starters, especially when certain members are, or recently have been, on thin ice themselves.

You're also right that threads used to more often start lame, and thanks to themembers, turned into something useful.

That said, I've had a quick look at some of the threads on this forum, and no offense, but some of them really lower the tone of the place. Random example - people asking for fuse sensitive AN mixtures, then going on to ask what a primary explosive is. It probably took more time for the guy to post the question that it would for him to have found the answer on google.

Theforum did used to be like that (I remember it!) and IMO, it's a good thing that it no longer is.

I do suspect that many people are afraid to post new topics now, and I agree that this could limit discussion. I'm sure other people wouldn't want their inboxes filling up, but I'm happy for anyone who isn't sure about starting a thread, to mail me and ask. If the thread got shot down, it'd be my fault.

Polverone - 26-11-2002 at 17:01

Quote:
That said, I've had a quick look at some of the threads on this forum, and no offense, but some of them really lower the tone of the place. Random example - people asking for fuse sensitive AN mixtures, then going on to ask what a primary explosive is. It probably took more time for the guy to post the question that it would for him to have found the answer on google.


I agree with you that lame newbie questions do degrade the tone of discussion. But since the frickin' board software is broken (and I don't want to risk destroying the whole thing with a reinstall or upgrade), I have a choice to either A) pick through the database by hand for the lame posts and zap them or B) delete/lock the whole thread. I usually opt for C, "do nothing." There are few enough people here that this approach works for now. Eventually I'll have to upgrade the software or get harsher with people if we get a lot of ignorant newbie behavior.

I'm also hoping that there are people who will grow into useful members after starting out with lame, trivial questions. I've seen it go both ways. Plasma, for example, was trying to concentrate hydrochloric acid by boiling off the water (!) not so many months ago, but he's come a long way since then.

The thing that really seems to hurt forums, any chem forum, (the Hive, E&W, this forum, or others), is when the more advanced members realize that there are very few people on their level and just stop visiting because they're so far beyond the topics of everyday discussion. I can't count all the bright chemists who have silently stopped contributing to the Hive or E&W, but it happens way too often. The one that immediately comes to mind is Philou Zrealone, who stopped visiting the E&W Forum, posted here for a while, and then seems to have retreated to Usenet only.

Anthony - 26-11-2002 at 17:38

Despite being 40mins behind him, Nick did manage to post his reply whilst I was still writing mine. So the overlap wasn't intentional :)

Am I'm glad people can't see some of my original posts! They went down with the ship long ago, back in the days when theforum was white :D

NERV - 28-11-2002 at 17:09

I can sort of see both sides of this argument as I am a semi new member to E&W. When I first joined up I was scared to post because my knowlage in Explosives/chemistry where no where near the levels of most of the members there. Slowly though I realised that it wasnt as strict as it looked. You dont have to be a wiz in chemistry to be a member there. I saw lots of very respected members there that had about the same level knowlage as I did. The reason people get banned is not because they arnt as smart as the rest. Its because they broke obvious rules, or asked questions that where anwsered many times befor. You have to look at it from the mods side to. They have a couple thousand members they have to watch over. They dont have the time to deal with those few members who cant read the rules of the forum. E&W may look like its uptight from the outside, but if you really look at it its not. It is run perfectly, and so long as you follow the rules and search you wont gat banned. Sadly though allot of people who could contribute and learn alot there get scared away by the stric looks.


Axgrease - 5-12-2002 at 21:59

"Scared" of posting new topics isnt the best word to describe it..
Its just that it has evolved into the search for anything related, and post a new question there types of posts, with people thinking this is the right way of doing it, all it does is make it stray off topic and if someone has stopped looking at a thread because the original wasnt interesting anymore - they miss it, and/or a good topic has now changed into a discussion on something else.

Going along with the original post in this thread - I dont think thats its "stagnated" but rather just congested into "mega-threads" whereas it used to be spread out into more topics.

Everyone has their opinion but this is mine, it would be best to revert back to having more topics related around the specific questions asked, then great long ever changing threads that there is now. How this could be done ive got no idea..

With that said, i'll say I have been around the forum for years (back when it was brown!) and still visit frequently... shouldnt complain too much.

10fingers - 13-12-2002 at 16:39

I have not been able to log onto the Forum for a couple of months now. It just will not accept it. I was hoping after the server move that this problem would be fixed but it's not. I have also e-mailed Mega a couple of times to fix this.
I wonder if anyone else has been having these problems?

Rhadon - 13-12-2002 at 18:30

10fingers: The E&W forum works fine for me right now! Did you you email Mega at megalomania@scientificmind.com? His old address at hotmail is obsolete!

raistlin - 13-12-2002 at 18:54

I had similar problems for a while, but I just had a little patience and eventually it got fixed.

vulture - 14-12-2002 at 04:35

I'm a bit angry at E&W. They keep ignoring the perfectly good thread here about DPPP. Mega now even posted a structure of DPPP on E&W which I posted here some time before that already....
Kay, it's assymetric, but still....

10fingers - 14-12-2002 at 08:06

Yea, I used Megas new address. Maybe he's just too busy fixing problems with the server to answer his e-mails. I'll wait awhile and try it again.


trinitrotoluene - 28-3-2003 at 21:05

Had anyone noticed anything strange with the E&W forum?
Recently seems like after trying to reach the forum it dosen't work.

vulture - 29-3-2003 at 06:25

I always get a DNS error or explorer crashes when trying to reach E&W. I tried it from a different proxyserver and it didn't work either.

Somebody with another provider couldn't reach the site either.

Sparky - 29-3-2003 at 06:35

I have been having this same problem. I came here hoping to find out what happened to it. So, does anybody know? I have to say I am somewhat worried.

Mongo Blongo - 29-3-2003 at 13:53

I am having problems as well. It happened yesterday for a while and then it was ok and now it's fucked up again. It says that the site is just not there. I don't know what's gone wrong.

raistlin - 29-3-2003 at 19:03

I think it might be Mega simply updating the site. I remember a while back when they were doing some updating that exactly the same thing happend, as is happening now.

Could one of the mods from roguesci shed some light on this for us?

kingspaz - 30-3-2003 at 13:10

i'm in the dark too at the moment. its probably mega doing some updating but i can't confirm because i've been offline for the past few days.

Eliteforum - 30-3-2003 at 16:19

This is all I get...

srcn.jpg - 61kB

Eliteforum - 1-4-2003 at 03:57

Microsoft Windows 2000 [Version 5.00.2195]
(C) Copyright 1985-1999 Microsoft Corp.

C:\>ping roguesci.org

Pinging roguesci.org [64.21.166.2] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 64.21.166.2: bytes=32 time=90ms TTL=52
Reply from 64.21.166.2: bytes=32 time=100ms TTL=52
Reply from 64.21.166.2: bytes=32 time=100ms TTL=52
Reply from 64.21.166.2: bytes=32 time=90ms TTL=52

Ping statistics for 64.21.166.2:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 90ms, Maximum = 100ms, Average = 95ms

C:\>nslookup 64.21.166.2
Server: cache1.ntli.net
Address: 194.168.4.100

*** cache1.ntli.net can't find 64.21.166.2: Server failed

C:\>tracert 64.21.166.2

Tracing route to 64.21.166.2 over a maximum of 30 hops

1 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms 10.144.223.254
2 20 ms 10 ms 10 ms nott-t2cam1-b-pos88.inet.ntl.com [80.4.46.145]
3 30 ms 10 ms 10 ms not-t2core-b-ge-wan61.inet.ntl.com [80.1.79.185]

4 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms nth-bb-b-so-200-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.37]
5 10 ms 20 ms 11 ms nth-bb-a-ae0-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.117]
6 10 ms 20 ms 10 ms gfd-bb-b-so-400-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.98]
7 21 ms 10 ms 20 ms tele-ic-2-so-100-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.74]

8 20 ms 20 ms 20 ms fa1-0.core1.ltn.nac.net [195.66.224.94]
9 90 ms 80 ms 90 ms 1209.at-3-1-0.gbr1.nyc.nac.net [209.123.11.241]

10 91 ms 90 ms 90 ms 1187.at-0-1-0.gbr1.oct.nac.net [209.123.11.150]

11 100 ms 91 ms 100 ms 0095.gi-1-1.msfc1.oct.nac.net [64.21.102.2]
12 90 ms 101 ms 90 ms fa0-0.core1.pwebtech.com [207.99.8.198]
13 90 ms 91 ms 90 ms 64.21.166.2

Trace complete.

04/01/03 12:52:57 ping roguesci.org
Ping roguesci.org (64.21.166.2) ...
1 Addr:64.21.166.2, RTT: 100ms, TTL: 52
2 Addr:64.21.166.2, RTT: 100ms, TTL: 52
3 Addr:64.21.166.2, RTT: 90ms, TTL: 52
4 Addr:64.21.166.2, RTT: 100ms, TTL: 52
5 Addr:64.21.166.2, RTT: 90ms, TTL: 52
6 Addr:64.21.166.2, RTT: 111ms, TTL: 52
7 Addr:64.21.166.2, RTT: 80ms, TTL: 52
8 Addr:64.21.166.2, RTT: 90ms, TTL: 52
9 Addr:64.21.166.2, RTT: 90ms, TTL: 52
10 Addr:64.21.166.2, RTT: 90ms, TTL: 52

04/01/03 12:53:18 dns roguesci.org
Canonical name: roguesci.org
Addresses:
64.21.166.2

whois -h whois.nic.gov roguesci.org ...
failed, couldn't connect to host: Connection refused (WSAECONNREFUSED)

Trying 64.21.166.2 at ARIN
Trying 64.21.166 at ARIN

OrgName: Net Access Corporation
OrgID: NAC
Address: 1719 STE RT 10E
Address: Suite 111
City: Parsippany
StateProv: NJ
PostalCode: 07054
Country: US

NetRange: 64.21.0.0 - 64.21.191.255
CIDR: 64.21.0.0/17, 64.21.128.0/18
NetName: NAC-NETBLK03
NetHandle: NET-64-21-0-0-1
Parent: NET-64-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS1.NAC.NET
NameServer: NS2.NAC.NET
Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
Comment:
Comment: * Reassignment information for this network is available
Comment: * available at whois.nac.net 43
RegDate: 1999-12-22
Updated: 2001-08-22

TechHandle: ZN77-ARIN
TechName: Net Access Corporation
TechPhone: +1-800-638-6336
TechEmail: legal@nac.net

OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE156-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: Abuse Department
OrgAbusePhone: +1-800-638-6336
OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@nac.net

OrgNOCHandle: NOC270-ARIN
OrgNOCName: Network Operations Center
OrgNOCPhone: +1-973-590-5050
OrgNOCEmail: network@nac.net

OrgTechHandle: ZN77-ARIN
OrgTechName: Net Access Corporation
OrgTechPhone: +1-800-638-6336
OrgTechEmail: legal@nac.net

OrgTechHandle: AR97-ARIN
OrgTechName: Rubenstein, Alex
OrgTechPhone: +1-973-590-5101
OrgTechEmail: alex@nac.net

04/01/03 12:54:41 Fast traceroute roguesci.org
Trace roguesci.org (64.21.166.2) ...
1 10.144.223.254 10ms 10ms 21ms TTL: 0 (No rDNS)
2 80.4.46.145 10ms 10ms 0ms TTL: 0 (nott-t2cam1-b-pos88.inet.ntl.com ok)
3 80.1.79.185 10ms 10ms 10ms TTL: 0 (not-t2core-b-ge-wan61.inet.ntl.com ok)
4 62.253.185.37 10ms 10ms 10ms TTL: 0 (nth-bb-b-so-200-0.inet.ntl.com ok)
5 62.253.185.117 10ms 10ms 10ms TTL: 0 (nth-bb-a-ae0-0.inet.ntl.com ok)
6 62.253.185.98 30ms 30ms 10ms TTL: 0 (gfd-bb-b-so-400-0.inet.ntl.com ok)
7 62.253.185.74 20ms 20ms 21ms TTL: 0 (tele-ic-2-so-100-0.inet.ntl.com ok)
8 195.66.224.94 40ms 20ms 20ms TTL: 0 (fa1-0.core1.ltn.nac.net bogus rDNS: host not found [authoritative])
9 209.123.11.241 90ms 90ms 90ms TTL: 0 (1209.at-3-1-0.gbr1.nyc.nac.net fraudulent rDNS)
10 209.123.11.150 110ms 91ms 90ms TTL: 0 (1187.at-0-1-0.gbr1.oct.nac.net fraudulent rDNS)
11 64.21.102.2 90ms 90ms 80ms TTL: 0 (0095.gi-1-1.msfc1.oct.nac.net fraudulent rDNS)
12 207.99.8.198 100ms 90ms 100ms TTL: 0 (fa0-0.core1.pwebtech.com ok)
13 64.21.166.2 90ms 90ms 91ms TTL: 52 (No rDNS)

04/01/03 12:55:16 finger @roguesci.org
finger @roguesci.org (64.21.166.2) ...
failed, couldn't connect to host

Time roguesci.org (64.21.166.2) ...

Daytime (remote timezone): Connection failed

Time (local timezone): Connection failed

SNTP Response DD/MM/YYYY HH:MM:SS.MS
Client Originate Date was 01/01/1900, 00:00:00.000
Server Receive Date was 01/01/1900, 00:00:00.000
Server Transmit Date was 01/01/1900, 00:00:00.000
Client Destination Date was 01/04/2003, 20:55:36.517
Round trip delay was 3258219336.517000 seconds
Local clock offset was -1629109668.258500 seconds

04/01/03 12:55:56 Browsing http://roguesci.org/
Fetching http://roguesci.org/ ...
GET / HTTP/1.1

Host: roguesci.org

Connection: close

HTTP/1.1 200 OK

Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:27:53 GMT

Server: Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.8.11 OpenSSL/0.9.6g FrontPage/5.0.2.2510 PHP/4.1.2 mod_throttle/3.1.2

Last-Modified: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 21:29:10 GMT

ETag: "270076-5f79-3e666c26"

Accept-Ranges: bytes

Content-Length: 24441

Content-Type: text/html

Age: 66417

Connection: close

04/01/03 12:56:23 Blackhole check roguesci.org
Canonical name: roguesci.org
Addresses:
64.21.166.2 is not in the MAPS realtime blackhole list (rbl.maps.vix.com)

64.21.166.2 is not in the MAPS dialup user list (dul.maps.vix.com)

64.21.166.2 is not in the radparker relayed spam system (relays.mail-abuse.org)



Playful enough? :)

[Edited on 1-4-2003 by Eliteforum]

IgnorantlyIntelligent - 12-1-2004 at 19:30

Maybe people are simply bored of the forum. Personaly, I like this forum much more. In the E&W it seems as though the same people are the only ones posting. Maybe this is due to the ammount of people they ban there. Without a flow of new members bringing new ideas a forum will get dull.

It really does seem to stagnate... !

chemoleo - 11-11-2005 at 19:10

For the last 6 months or so!
I wonder why.
In fact, some member of roguesci wrote a thread on this, see this.

Quote:
It's also a fact that no longer is all the best discussion on roguesci. People have migrated for whatever reason to SM for chemistry/novel energetics and to APC for pyrotechnics where the level of discussion is very high, and motivation innocent. Any discussion of criminal activity will be shot down on these forums as kewl, here for some reason its glorified, I would think this would drive away many mature members interested only with hobbiest E&W.

well well well!
Quote:
As for the discussion about me, talk all you want. At the end of the day, I'm the one with his finger on the kill switch, and ain't nothing going to change that, so all such discussion is moot.

There's only one who would write this :P

Quote:

Discussion or not, The Explosives and Weapons Forum remains a vast treasure trove of information going back 6 years now, and 8 years for my website. We have outlasted the rest and remained the best. We set the standards in the industry.


By the very megalomania(c) himself!


Anyway - it really does stagnate. Thirty active threads since October the fifth :o

Sometimes I wonder whether that could happen here too - and give it another 100 years of postmaking, I think it *could* happen here too :P

But seriously - obviously we are accumulating a lot of knowledge here. Day by day. One day there isn't that much anymore to add, as all's been covered already - leading to stagnation, as with E&W.

Except I am more optimistic in this case than EW, because we don't have (need) harsh banning policies, plus everyday problems/questions will never cease to pop up.
What do you think?


Edit: This was in the first post by Polverone:
Quote:
I am reminded of the more general problem faced by any intelligent and aspiring individual in this day and age: to make a name for yourself, to discover something interesting, you not only have to make use of everything that your forebears discovered, but you have to find something noteworthy that the long line of intellectual explorers preceding you MISSED. You can't just match them. The world doesn't need a third discoverer of calculus. Newton and Leibnitz will forever get the credit, whether or not you come up with their principles on your own. You have to be beyond Newton and Leibnitz to be a math genius. You have to be better than Davy, Pasteur, Liebig, and Lavoisier to be a giant of chemistry. But let's not kid ourselves. Very few of the researchers currently publishing are the modern equivalent of Berzelius. The only reason they are able to publish anything is that they keep plumbing the depths of minutiae. They end up writing articles like "Significant Enhancement of Electron Transfer Reduction of NAD+ Analogues by Complexation with Scandium Ion and the Detection of the Radical Intermediate-Scandium Ion Complex." If you'd been born half a dozen generations earlier you might be the DISCOVERER of scandium, and have at least a chance of later generations remembering you. But the earlier generations grabbed all the glory and you're left picking through the crumbs until a new frontier opens up. We have the richest selection of refined knowledge and the poorest selection of new areas for exploration at any time in history - "we" in my definition including everybody who has an interest in chemistry but but less than a six-figure budget and no desire to join the Annals of Irrelevance writing about the mechanism of yet another obscure reaction.

This couldnt be more true. All the low-hanging fruits in science have been picked. That's why we, the scientists (I am an aspiring one) discover that most has been done already, and we are discovering minutiae. General principles have all been found. Somewhat discouraging. That's why I often think, biochemistry (another frontier next to theoretical physics) is reduced to 'stamp collecting' - the general principles are known, the methodologies are all established, now we have to use those methodologies to understand the biochemistry of the living. And we already do, by and large. But there won't be a Jim Watson, or a Louis Pasteur, or an Ian Fleming anytime soon. Too much is known already. Should I get out of science? Hell, it doesnt even pay for all that hard work :(
But that's beside the topic. Forgive my wandering.

[Edited on 12-11-2005 by chemoleo]

Chris The Great - 11-11-2005 at 20:51

I found it hilarious to find you logged onto the E&W forum a few minutes after I read this.

I personally don't care if I make some giant discovery, I'm more interested in doing something I enjoy. Whether I will enjoy working in a research lab and spending large amounts of time writing about why I should get money has yet to be seen, if not I'll just keep it as a hobby.
Or I will take over the world and will be remembered for thousands of years!! [Evil genious laugh]
But that's getting off topic......

Magpie - 11-11-2005 at 23:34

I don't think one should give up on science and engineering - unless you are just in it for the money. I learned pretty early that I was not going to "set the house on fire" in my field. But I got a lot of satisfaction increasing efficiency and solving problems unique to the plants I was working in. My field is chemical engineering but one of my most satisfying solutions involved a complex maintenance sequence that the mechanical maintenance staff could not resolve. Unresolved it would have quickly shut down the plant.

The_Davster - 11-11-2005 at 23:55

I am not going to stop anytime soon...I know that science, although likely the most important thing in the progress of mankind, can pay so little compared to useless professions such as professional sports or the idiots in hollywood, but still I am going for a chemisry degree currently and plan to go for PHD eventually. I may not make earth shattering discoveries, nor make a huge affect upon mankind, nor the big bucks, but damn it, I love this stuff!

My personal reason for stopping posting on E&W was just not liking it as a site which could be found in my history files due to not the explosives content, but to the other crime related material.

[Edited on 12-11-2005 by rogue chemist]

akinmad - 13-11-2005 at 19:08

I believe process of E&W forum's losing ground started after a hosting glitch and resultant closing down of the forum for a while. After that there rose some doubts about the ID of Mega and many mods and senior members left the forum out of suspicion.

Apart from driving the senior and most productive members from the forum due to political differences and attempted hush ups by a certain mod, the final blow came from (as I belive) the administration itself:

The last move done by the administration is banning of certain IP ranges since they do not like the tone and opinions of the members attending from the banned IP ranges.
I don't want to accuse anybody but this most probably results from the intent to hush up certain members who are opponent to Bush the Pedocide, aka Oil Mugger, otherwise cannot be banned since they are quite productive and mostly obedient to the (even harsh) rules.

I suspect this is the case since no explicit explanation has been made by the administration regarding this issue as I can see by attending the E&W forum whenever I manage through the proxies. Regards.

[Edited on 14-11-2005 by akinmad]

Dave Angel - 14-11-2005 at 13:43

Not being able to access the site is one of the main reasons I don't really visit there very often now... It's a fair hassle to find a working proxy each time and they always seem to stop working before long. Also, I haven't been doing much experimenting in many months, and the rare thing I have been doing has been more appropriate for posting here.

The thing is... I was under the impression that it was my access to the site being blocked by my IP, not that an IP range including mine was being blocked by the site! I confess, I don't fully understand the workings of these things so I'll have to ask - how is it possible to tell which is the case?

Gamal - 21-11-2005 at 13:45

rogue chemist

Will the Explosives section of your site be avalible again?
I haven't got a copy of all synthesises there yet. Do you have them downloadable anywhere? It would be grate to have them all in a rar file or something.

I liked your site a lot!

/Gamal

The_Davster - 21-11-2005 at 16:50

Eh? This is the second time this has happened... I am NOT Megalomania I have like 2-5 posts in roguesci and that is it...

My screen name is getting associated with roguesci way to much....

Cyrus - 21-11-2005 at 22:58

"There was a time when some people thought that there were no more good ideas to be had. In fact, Charles H. Duell, commissioner of the U.S. patent office, said in 1899 that the government might as well close down the patent office: "Everything that can be invented has been invented," he said. "

(http://www.fbrsystem.com/families/article-9.html)

I realize that this may very well be an urban legend, but it still makes a point. We don't know everything, guys! In all probability very very few people, if anyone, from the sciencemadness discussion board will discover something earthshaking. Does that mean we should stop trying? Perhaps science is harder for us, but that's tough luck. Besides, I bet the scientists of 100 years ago would have rather lived today than 100 years ago. They might think we had it rather easy. :)

Cyrus

[Edited on 22-11-2005 by Cyrus]

Gamal - 22-11-2005 at 00:17

Sorry for that, Rogue Cemist:D

Does anyone know why the domain roguesci.org isn't accessible?

/Gamal

Marvin - 22-11-2005 at 15:15

A lot of ISPs have aparently banned access. The domain itself is blocking access to other domain blocks but if you use a proxy based in the US you will probably get through. Megalomania and most of the other mods/admins have taken a leave of absense from the board, mostly without telling anyone anything and next to nobody is posting. I think we can say its in something of a lull.

neutrino - 22-11-2005 at 17:10

The admins are gone? That doesn't sound very promising.

Maybe someone should try making a complete backup of the board in case it goes down in the future? With the admins gone, this seems like it would be a little more likely.

I can take a crack at it if everyone thinks it's a good idea.

The_Davster - 22-11-2005 at 17:20

Wait, why are the mods gone?
Strange, Nick F has not been here since march...

[Edited on 23-11-2005 by rogue chemist]

Gamal - 23-11-2005 at 05:27

How about making a backup of the "Explosives Pages"? I would do it if I could access it!
Any tips?

/Gamal

neutrino - 23-11-2005 at 12:49

Are you referring to the chemlab?

FTP

MadHatter - 23-11-2005 at 14:11

Look in the "CHEMISTRY - OTHER" section on my FTP. Mega's Controversial ChemLab
has been RARed there. An unpacked version called "MCCL - unpacked" is also there.

Gamal - 23-11-2005 at 14:49

Thanks MadHatter!

I have sent you a U2U asking for ftp access.

/Gamal

Gamal - 23-11-2005 at 14:50

Yes, neutrino. I'm talking about the Chemlab!

/Gamal

Boomer - 24-11-2005 at 06:29

How big an area will be effected by an IP ban? I tried from 3 different PCs in 3 cities and always got the 'no permission' error.

Is it true that the whole of Italy cannot get in? And, is it *worth* anymore to try?

neutrino - 24-11-2005 at 06:47

I believe I read something about Italy banning certain web sites, RS among them. Have you tried using a proxy?

Gamal - 24-11-2005 at 08:06

In that case Sweden is doing that too.

How can I connect thru a proxy? Doesn't I have to change ISP then? Do you know anywhere to get this service?

MadHatter, you have a great ftp! I'm soooo happy! :D:D:D

/Gamal

neutrino - 24-11-2005 at 08:36

Your browser should have the capability to use proxies. If not, get firefox. :D

To find proxies, just google "proxt list".

kazaa81 - 26-11-2005 at 14:43

The fact that roguesci forum has so rigid rules and banning don't help much in growing important threads.