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Casein from Milk

pKa - 17-11-2008 at 08:36

First off: Hello all! First post on the forum!

Question: I can pull casein from milk quite easily enough- heat and add an acid (I just use vinegar). It separates into curds and whey. I strain out the whey and I have what is more or less mostly casein. (Also known as Ricotta cheese.)

The question I have is about what's going on in there. Is it a case of lowering the pH forces the casein micelles apart, or is it the acid reacting with the calcium phosphate molecules that form the centers of these micelles?

Thanks in advance.

hissingnoise - 17-11-2008 at 09:18

Welcome to SciMad, pKa. . .

AFAIK, acidic solution reduces casein's solubility.
Acetic acid doesn't react with Ca(PO4)2 or Ca(H2PO4)2.

chemkid - 17-11-2008 at 12:31

I believe there is some degree of denturation in the hydrophilic parts of the protein which cause it to precipitate

chemoleo - 17-11-2008 at 18:48

Oh, no, this time it is not denaturation (although your guess, Chemkid, would be usually correct)
To quote from wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casein

Quote:
Casein (from Latin caseus "cheese") is the predominant phosphoprotein (αS1, αS2, β, κ;) that accounts for nearly 80% of proteins in milk and cheese. Milk-clotting proteases act on the soluble portion of the caseins, K-Casein, thus originating an unstable micellar state that results in clot formation. When coagulated with rennet, casein is sometimes called paracasein. Chymosin (EC 3.4.23.4) is an aspartic protease that specifically hydrolyzes the peptide bond in Phe105-Met106 of κ-casein and is considered to be the most efficient protease for the cheese-making industry (Rao et al., 1998). British terminology, on the other hand, uses the term caseinogen for the uncoagulated protein and casein for the coagulated protein. As it exists in milk, it is a salt of calcium. Casein is not coagulated by heat. It is precipitated by acids and by rennet enzymes, a proteolytic enzyme typically obtained from the stomachs of calves. The enzyme trypsin can hydrolyze off a phosphate-containing peptone.

Casein consists of a fairly high number of proline peptides, which do not interact. There are also no disulfide bridges. As a result, it has relatively little secondary structure or tertiary structure. Because of this, it cannot denature. It is relatively hydrophobic, making it poorly soluble in water. It is found in milk as a suspension of particles called casein micelles which show some resemblance with surfactant-type micellae in a sense that the hydrophilic parts reside at the surface. The caseins in the micelles are held together by calcium ions and hydrophobic interactions. There are several models that account for the special conformation of casein in the micelles (Dalgleish, 1998). One of them proposes that the micellar nucleus is formed by several submicelles, the periphery consisting of microvellosities of κ-casein (Walstra, 1979; Lucey, 2002). Another model suggests that the nucleus is formed by casein-interlinked fibrils (Holt, 1992). Finally, the most recent model (Horne, 1998) proposes a double link among the caseins for gelling to take place. All 3 models consider micelles as colloidal particles formed by casein aggregates wrapped up in soluble κ-casein molecules.

The isoelectric point of casein is 4.6. The purified protein is water insoluble. While it is also insoluble in neutral salt solutions, it is readily dispersible in dilute alkalis and in salt solutions such as sodium oxalate and sodium acetate.

pKa - 18-11-2008 at 10:02

Well thanks for the info.

My guess was that the acetic acid exchanged the ion at the centers of the micelles. Regardless- my project is about plastic. Just for poops and giggles (rules on swearing here?) I'm trying to make a very simple caulking compound that can be kept in a zip-lock bag and dispensed by cutting a corner in it. My thinking, and I'm trying it today when I get home: To precipitate out some casein from milk and then, because it's full of water and vinegar, and possibly other unknown materials- wash extensively with 95% isopropanol to azeotrope with the water (for quicker drying) and wash away the acetic acid and other organic materials.

Then I'll put what I have left in a zip top bag and see how it works out. My guess is it won't work so well as a glue, per say, but it might work in an injection mold.

I have half a gallon of milk past its sell-by (and for that matter drink-by) date, why let it go to waste?;)

chemoleo - 18-11-2008 at 20:10

I don't think just any protein will do for making sticky tacky substances. Aside from the protein sequence, it is also the nano-alignment that matters, forming beta sheets, helices or amorphous regions and the like....
Perhaps you should look into spider silk:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider_silk
:)

[Edited on 19-11-2008 by chemoleo]

watson.fawkes - 18-11-2008 at 22:27

Quote:
Originally posted by pKa
Then I'll put what I have left in a zip top bag and see how it works out. My guess is it won't work so well as a glue, per say, but it might work in an injection mold.
Casein was used as the binder in old milk paints. Not exactly a glue, but at least a little related.

unionised - 19-11-2008 at 12:51

Casein glue used to be used a lot in woodwork before synthetic polymers came on the seen. I don't think just any protein would work, but this one will.