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kristofvagyok - 5-5-2012 at 02:48

Quote: Originally posted by White Yeti  
It's a nice picture, but may I ask why the condenser is hooked up to the side neck instead of the center one?


In this part of the reaction this doesn't matter. And on the other reaction vessel they are changed.

Abs. pyridine is in both flask and the reaction goes for 3 days at 90 Celsius where the pyridine is not boiling, so actually it doesn't matter how the condenser is on the flask.

Rocks & Minerals

bfesser - 5-5-2012 at 08:29

It's time for a short geology lesson, boys and girls. Sorry, I don't have a DSLR, just a point and shoot in macro mode. Lighting is mostly halogen. The pictures may not be the prettiest, but it's overcast this morning and my hands are too shaky to compensate with longer exposures.
Note: Click thumbnails for original full resolution photos.

<table width="804" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="4" align="center"><tr><td><a href="http://www.medievalsiege.net/bfesser/images/geology/atacamite.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.medievalsiege.net/bfesser/images/geology/atacamite_thumb.jpg" /></a></td><td><a href="http://www.medievalsiege.net/bfesser/images/geology/columbite-tantalite.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.medievalsiege.net/bfesser/images/geology/columbite-tantalite_thumb.jpg" /></a></td></tr><tr><td align="center" valign="top"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atacamite" target="_blank">Atacamite</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" />, Cu<sub>2</sub>Cl(OH)<sub>3</sub>, from the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_locality_(geology)" target="_blank">type locality</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" /> in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atacama_Desert" target="_blank">Atacama Desert</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" />, Chile&mdash;a region I hope to visit someday.</td><td align="center" valign="top"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coltan" target="_blank">Columbite-Tantalite</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" /> (Nb/Ta minerals)</td></tr><tr><td><a href="http://www.medievalsiege.net/bfesser/images/geology/manganite.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.medievalsiege.net/bfesser/images/geology/manganite_thumb.jpg" /></a></td><td><a href="http://www.medievalsiege.net/bfesser/images/geology/vanadinite.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.medievalsiege.net/bfesser/images/geology/vanadinite_thumb.jpg" /></a></td></tr><tr><td align="center" valign="top"><a href="" target="_blank">Manganite</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" />, MnO(OH), high purity crystals</td><td align="center" valign="top"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanadinite" target="_blank">Vanadinite</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" /> (Pb<sub>5</sub>(VO<sub>4</sub>;)<sub>3</sub>Cl) on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baryte" target="_blank">Barite</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" /> (BaSO<sub>4</sub>;)</td></tr></table>

I hope to post a picture in the future of some Au specks I found on a rock in the Black Hills, SD. I'll need to set up a microscope or powerful loupe, though. It was a real treat to find a native element!

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The manganese nodule may not be impressive to any of you, but it's beatiful in my eyes. For me, it holds special significance, mainly because I collected it myself by trespassing on privately owned land (destroyed a shirt while prone-crawling under the barbed-wire perimeter fence) <a href="http://wikimapia.org/#lat=43.8059734&lon=-99.4048656&z=18&l=0&m=b" target="_blank">near Oacoma, SD</a> <img src="../scipics/_ext.png" />. I think it's cool to hold something that once formed at a fumeral near a mid-oceanic ridge. I plan to return to the locale to collect more specimens, this time with landowner permission. -->

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sargent1015 - 5-5-2012 at 13:10

Hey guys, I'm plugging for this thread as a shout out for some awesome pictures! I am re-tackling the book project, made by home chemists, for home chemists.

https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=25...

Give me a hand guys and check out the web page of the book as well!

http://www.bromicacid.com/bookprogress.htm

turd - 5-5-2012 at 14:09

Quote: Originally posted by bfesser  
It's time for a short geology lesson, boys and girls.

I think you mean mineralogy.

bfesser - 5-5-2012 at 18:53

turd; seriously? Who are you trying to impress with your attempted correction?

But if you want to go there . . .

I <em>meant</em> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology" target="_blank">geology</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" />; as I wrote it. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineralogy" target="_blank">Mineralogy</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" /> is often considered a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Subfields_of_geology" target="_blank">subfield of geology</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" />. <!-- top secret project Mn <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nodule_(geology)" target="_blank">nodules</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" /> are also <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_(geology)" target="_blank">rocks</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" /> and would fall outside the domain of mineralogy (in this context). -->

In the future, please keep such pedantic and asinine comments to yourself.

[Edited on 7/23/13 by bfesser]

sargent1015 - 5-5-2012 at 19:49

Keep it clean gentlemen(women)!

turd - 5-5-2012 at 23:05

Quote: Originally posted by bfesser  
turd; seriously? Who are you trying to impress with your attempted correction?

Yes, why not? And I'm so above having to impress or offend anybody.

Quote:

But if you want to go there . . .

I <em>meant</em> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology" target="_blank">geology</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" />; as I wrote it. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineralogy" target="_blank">Mineralogy</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" /> is often considered a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Subfields_of_geology" target="_blank">subfield of geology</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" />. Mn <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nodule_(geology)" target="_blank">nodules</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" /> are also <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_(geology)" target="_blank">rocks</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" /> and would fall outside the domain of mineralogy (in this context).

Well, English speaking countries tend to have some peculiar customs[1]. So maybe they classify mineralogy and petrology as a subfield of geology - but in my neck of the wood this is certainly not the case, just like biology is not considered part of chemistry and chemistry is not considered a part of physics. I converse with both - geologists and mineralogist - and apart from belonging to the same faculty (earth sciences or geosciences) they have little in common. Different analytic methods, different field trips, different conferences, etc. And certainly they would not consider one a subfield of the other.

Edit: When I get a lesson in geology I expect pictures of outcrops (c.f. https://www.google.com/search?q=outcrop&tbm=isch). Of folds, cinder cones, etc. The pictures you posted are clearly for a mineralogy lesson (and yes, even the Mn thing will be typically found in a mineralogical collection). That's all I said.

[1] Like publishing full name and photo of suspects and convicts from people who pissed against a tree to child molesters. Or believing that 16 year olds are responsible enough to drive a car, but they may only decide to relax with a beer with 21. No wonder they're all a little bit tense. ;)

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bfesser - 6-5-2012 at 06:34

Fair enough, turd. I concede your point.

An <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outcrop" target="_blank">outcrop</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" /> exhibiting <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fold_(geology)" target="_blank">folding</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" /> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anticline" target="_blank">anticline</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" /> most clearly visible) in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hills" target="_blank">Black Hills, SD</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" />.
Exact location forgotten (I didn't take the photo&ndash;I was unwittingly in it).
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Sorry, it's definitely not a "pretty picture".

[Edited on 7/9/13 by bfesser]

turd - 6-5-2012 at 12:09

Quote: Originally posted by bfesser  
Sorry, it's definitely not a "pretty picture".

The photography snobs will definitely complain (the lighting! the detail! the composition!), but I think it's a nice picture. It conveys an interesting situation.

[Edited on 6-5-2012 by turd]

Explosci - 6-5-2012 at 12:13

here are some photos of the synthesis of nitrotetrazole
http://www.explosci.com/nitrotetrazole-synthesis/

Endimion17 - 6-5-2012 at 14:07

Quote: Originally posted by turd  
Quote: Originally posted by bfesser  
Sorry, it's definitely not a "pretty picture".

The photography snobs will definitely complain (the lighting! the detail! the composition!), but I think it's a nice picture. It conveys an interesting situation.

[Edited on 6-5-2012 by turd]


If you were referring to me (as the one who started with the complaints), then no, I don't think this is a bad photograph.
It's not a great photograph, but it's not a piece of trash. It's interesting and the colors are nice, too.

I hate photography snobs. They often fixate on written rules and don't appreciate the creativity. They'll often annoy people with "the lines aren't paralell", "the horizon isn't horizontal" etc. even when it's unneccessary.

Complaining about obviously bad photographs on a thread meant for depositing "pretty pictures" is not snobbism. It's simply a kick in the butt to turn on the creativity mode.

turd - 8-5-2012 at 11:17

Demanding artistic creativity from a bunch of autistic nerds may not be snobbish, but probably is futile. :P

After the short excursion into geology/pretrology/mineralogy, back to some chemistry: 2,5-dimethoxy-benzaldehyde and 2,5-dimethoxy-beta-nitrostyrene. Which is which is obvious. The last picture is taken under a polarizing filter - for some reason it's impossible to catch the amazing views with a CCD/CMOS camera. :( At least one sees a little bit of dichroism.

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Copper Acetate

sargent1015 - 8-5-2012 at 14:19

As promised, here are the crystals are 'cleaning them' with glacial acetic acid. I am planning on using one of these as a seed crystal and going after much larger ones. More pics to come!

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Also, here is the BaCl2 after filtering and rinsing. They are so clear, they may be tough to see.

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White Yeti - 8-5-2012 at 15:47

Those are nice pictures, but I think that with all pictures, the viewer should have a sense of scale. I understand that with microscope shots, including scale is difficult if not impossible, but you could at least include the magnification;)

I have some copper acetate I prepared two years ago. I never bothered to grow crystals because the powder dissolves faster, and I'm an impatient person:D Since I haven't used it for anything for a very long time, I'll grow crystals and post pictures.

sargent1015 - 8-5-2012 at 16:50

Quote: Originally posted by White Yeti  
Those are nice pictures, but I think that with all pictures, the viewer should have a sense of scale. I understand that with microscope shots, including scale is difficult if not impossible, but you could at least include the magnification;)

I have some copper acetate I prepared two years ago. I never bothered to grow crystals because the powder dissolves faster, and I'm an impatient person:D Since I haven't used it for anything for a very long time, I'll grow crystals and post pictures.


True, eh maybe next time with the larger crystals. I just like the geometry of these! :D

Be sure to post yours when you're done!

[Edited on 9-5-2012 by sargent1015]

turd - 8-5-2012 at 22:17

Quote: Originally posted by White Yeti  
Those are nice pictures, but I think that with all pictures, the viewer should have a sense of scale. I understand that with microscope shots, including scale is difficult if not impossible, but you could at least include the magnification;)

Actually, any modern microscope software will do it for you. On older microscopes you used transparent foil with a well defined grid on it, and there also were some cute micro-rulers. Some people use a ruler printed on the ocular and a magnification to size per unit table.

Should someone care: the largest 2,5-diMeO-PhCHO needles were around ~2 cm, in the picture above ~1.5 cm.

@sargent1015: the BaCl2 picture really is terrible. White on white - is this some joke? It reminds me of those "Barcelona by night" postcards.

White Yeti - 9-5-2012 at 11:50

I didn't know software existed to make measuring easier.
The only device I've ever used to measure things under a microscope was a tiny ruler with microscopic demarcations.
Since it was such a pain to position and read, standard operating procedure was to cite the magnification.

mr.crow - 9-5-2012 at 11:54

Quote: Originally posted by turd  
Demanding artistic creativity from a bunch of autistic nerds may not be snobbish, but probably is futile. :P

After the short excursion into geology/pretrology/mineralogy, back to some chemistry: 2,5-dimethoxy-benzaldehyde and 2,5-dimethoxy-beta-nitrostyrene. Which is which is obvious. The last picture is taken under a polarizing filter - for some reason it's impossible to catch the amazing views with a CCD/CMOS camera. :( At least one sees a little bit of dichroism.



Wow nice crystals!!! They look almost psychedelic ;)

bahamuth - 11-5-2012 at 12:05



A little gif from trimethylborate flames a couple of friends and I made a year ago..

Edit: Edited the gif a with the proper delay between each frame (150ms).

Edit: Another one, though not animated..


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sargent1015 - 17-5-2012 at 15:33

Magnesium Chloride needle-like crystals. Awful yield, but fantastic purity. Anyone have a better method for crashing these out of solution and washing them?

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White Yeti - 17-5-2012 at 17:52

That picture is fuzzeh. Try using macro mode. Also, try not to get Endimion17 too upset about form, shape, perspective, colour, balance and texture or lack thereof :)

sargent1015 - 17-5-2012 at 18:34

Aw man it is fuzzy... Crap... :(

Endimion17 - 18-5-2012 at 13:13

turd, bahamuth, AWESOME :)

[Edited on 18-5-2012 by Endimion17]

liquidlightning - 20-5-2012 at 20:33

Here's a bit of copper acetate I made recently.



[Edited on 21-5-2012 by liquidlightning]

Eddygp - 21-5-2012 at 12:38

Beautiful crystals. I am trying to make some home-made sodium nitrite...

Eddygp - 3-6-2012 at 11:49

beautiful pictures, by the way, I have looked at each one and these are all quite pretty

kristofvagyok - 3-6-2012 at 13:56

It's long ago since I posted, here are the newest things(:

At first some azulene, what crystallized out from the reactions rest.
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Second: mother of all column chromatographys. A 170cm tall column, 3000g of silica, 15liters of petrolether and 5 hours till the column did what it should. Any comments? :P
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Check out my blog and see some other pictures(:
-and if You want to help me a bit, then please check out the google ads;)

CLICK

Edit by Nicodem: Changed the URL on author's request.

[Edited on 12/7/2012 by Nicodem]

Hexavalent - 3-6-2012 at 13:59

That chromatography column . . .hmmm . . .the ultimatum of nerd porn?

I also like the huge glass funnels in the background and the crystal formations in the first picture are really nice....this sort of thing and crystal growing/forming has to be one of the most enjoyable aspects of chemistry:)

sargent1015 - 3-6-2012 at 17:16

There's some extreme tailing going on in that column there! Cool picture, but did it turn out okay?

White Yeti - 3-6-2012 at 17:17

That's an amazing chromatography column, it's taller than I am:o:o

Did you make any TLCs to analyse the purity of your azulene?

kristofvagyok - 3-6-2012 at 21:53

Quote: Originally posted by White Yeti  
Did you make any TLCs to analyse the purity of your azulene?


Yepp, TLC and also NMR.

The surpise was there was a black gunk what came down on the column with the azulene, but it didn't came down with the pure azulene(:

-it wasn't my reaction, it was just in that lab where I am also and I helped a bit.

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mr.crow - 4-6-2012 at 06:48

Wow beautiful Azulene. I have always been fascinated after reading about it in my chemistry textbook and now seeing it is a reality. What procedure did you use?

kristofvagyok - 4-6-2012 at 12:03

A similar one to what is published at orgsynth.org.

But the yields of the reaction wasn't so "awesome" as they reported...

ItalianChemist - 5-6-2012 at 01:25

Recently I made some metals acetylacetonates!
-Cr(III) acetylacetonate
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-Co(II) acetylacetonate
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-Ni(II) acetylacetonate
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I like very much their colors :cool:


sargent1015 - 5-6-2012 at 04:23

Who's the poor intern who has to clean that column? lol

Eddygp - 5-6-2012 at 10:05

Wow, I didn't know those salts were so beautifully coloured, ItalianChemist

ItalianChemist - 5-6-2012 at 13:40

I'm going to make other acetylacetonates!
I think that I made today: rubicene crystals


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Eddygp - 6-6-2012 at 05:28

Make some acetylsalicycates (aspirinates?)!

Eddygp - 22-6-2012 at 11:52

I am going to post a red precipitate I'm making now.

kristofvagyok - 22-6-2012 at 12:43

Eddygp: why not simply post the picture when it is aleady ready?;)

Also, I have a few pics(:

Here, my actual fav picture:


And another one made from some methyl orange and some crystal violet:


For more science realated pictures/videos, visit: http://labphoto.tumblr.com/ -and check out the google ads, thanks(:

elementcollector1 - 22-6-2012 at 13:19

On that last one: Now you're thinking with chemicals. XD

blogfast25 - 23-6-2012 at 07:01

Quote: Originally posted by kristofvagyok  
Eddygp: why not simply post the picture when it is aleady ready?;)

Also, I have a few pics(:

Here, my actual fav picture:


And another one made from some methyl orange and some crystal violet:


For more science realated pictures/videos, visit: http://labphoto.tumblr.com/ -and check out the google ads, thanks(:


Please check your U2U.

Cu complex salts

virgilius1979 - 26-6-2012 at 10:25

Tetramine copper chlorate and Tetramine copper nitrate.



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cyanureeves - 29-6-2012 at 15:31


[img]<a href="http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z444/scarface130/pic.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z444/scarface130/th_pic.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket" ></a>[/img]<a href="http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z444/scarface130/IMAG0003.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z444/scarface130/th_IMAG0003.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket" ></a> all right! plante is showing me how to upload pics. and i know gold plating is not chemistry and by far this not the prettiest picture but i wanted to show what i gold plated using the cyanide process discussed in this forum. i got the salt and added water then put a gold anode/ gold cathode and let it electrolyze for about three minutes before gold plating this stainless steel key chain. thanks plante1999

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Eddygp - 30-6-2012 at 02:09

virgillius' pictures are amazing! How can I make a tetraamminecopper ion?

barley81 - 30-6-2012 at 08:08

Simply add ammonia to a solution of a copper (II) salt. You can easily isolate its salts. Look in Brauer in the library here for procedures.

cyanureeves - 30-6-2012 at 15:47

i am getting a deep blue color by adding homemade ammonium chloride,baking soda and copper chloride crystals. i was trying to make smelling salts from ammonium chloride and baking soda by heating the whole thing and scraping the glass wall for the salt. i happened to walk past a bunch of copper chloride i had in a mayo jar and dumped it in as well.the blue liquid is nice and cool but the other jar with the rest of the copper chloride is smoking after i added a couple of drops of ammonium chloride. im staring over with better reagents for a better purple color.

DoctorOfPhilosophy - 30-6-2012 at 19:51

Not sure if this counts as pretty, more like fascinating, but here's an outdated pic of my collection:

I made the table myself!

cyanureeves - 1-7-2012 at 05:05

DoctorOfPhilosophy isnt that a wall shelving? how big are the pockets? color code each pocket and draw all the element symbols in them respectively .neat and orderly is pretty as oppose to chaos unless chaos has bright colors.

adamsium - 1-7-2012 at 05:29

Just thought I'd join in with a couple of pretty co-ordination compounds.


Firstly, some tetramminecopper(II) sulfate monohydrate

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Hexamminecobalt(III) chloride

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And here they are side by side

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The yield of the hexamminecobalt (III) chloride was, as I recall, just under 0.5%, and this actually seemed somewhat better than many others achieved.
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Also, I tried to use the site's FTP rather than attaching the images. However, although I was able to connect, the directory was read-only. Do I need to request FTP access? I read through the threads I could find on FTP and image uploads / insertion and couldn't find anything saying that any special action was required.

If I'm able to get them uploaded properly via FTP, I'll edit this post or post a new one with those images rather than clunky thumbnails.

Natures Natrium - 1-7-2012 at 05:32

That is a pretty cool way to store an element collection.

I have to ask though, are you sure the silvery chunk in the actinide row is where it is supposed to be?

DoctorOfPhilosophy - 1-7-2012 at 19:54

Thanks, the silvery chunk is a thimble of Am-241 from a fire detector. The actual content is 1ug of AmO2.

cyanureeves, the periodic display is built "picture frame style". I hung it on my wall recently. The cubby holes are about 2x2x2 inches. To give you an idea of scale, the cadmium is a solid 1kg sphere. It's a lot more organized now (old pic), but I prefer having it with nothing but the tables and samples, like clocks without ticks or numbers. I know it's pretentious, but I have the elements memorized thoroughly.

PS. I also have a pic of 1kg of 99.99% gallium metal coming!


[Edited on 2-7-2012 by DoctorOfPhilosophy]

MrTechGuy1995 - 1-7-2012 at 20:39

Found some interesting Vanadium Crystals I grew in my lab.
Still trying to figure what the hell they are.

Either sodium vanadate, or Vanadic Acid.









NaOH + V2O5 ---> NaVO3
NaVO3 + HNO3 ---> ???? //Black precip and Yellowish solution. Which from the solution, came those amazing crystals. Small but interesting.


[Edited on 2-7-2012 by MrTechGuy1995]

Poppy - 1-7-2012 at 22:30

nice seeds!!
Humm.. seems like they are the outcome of some high molecular weight crystal double salt

Rogeryermaw - 2-7-2012 at 21:41

maybe not so pretty but ammonium sulphate crystals.



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White Yeti - 3-7-2012 at 07:25

Here is a copper acetate crystal that took me about a month to grow. I used flash to show the crystal faces, but it washed out the scale just a bit. The shadow is actually that of the lens of my camera. It's a shame that the colour doesn't show up. I guess that's the price to pay when you get an enormous crystal:)

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sargent1015 - 3-7-2012 at 08:40

Quote: Originally posted by White Yeti  
Here is a copper acetate crystal that took me about a month to grow. I used flash to show the crystal faces, but it washed out the scale just a bit. The shadow is actually that of the lens of my camera. It's a shame that the colour doesn't show up. I guess that's the price to pay when you get an enormous crystal:)



Beautiful crystal, I love copper acetate for that reason!:)

Endimion17 - 3-7-2012 at 09:39

Quote: Originally posted by White Yeti  
Here is a copper acetate crystal that took me about a month to grow. I used flash to show the crystal faces, but it washed out the scale just a bit. The shadow is actually that of the lens of my camera. It's a shame that the colour doesn't show up. I guess that's the price to pay when you get an enormous crystal:)



Wow, that's a huge crystal. Nice. :)

You could try combining long and short exposure, even during the same shot. Light your crystal from beneath and capture the scene using few seconds of exposure, and while the lens are still opened, turn on previously positioned lamp, but very briefly. It takes more than just a few shots to get it right, but the results are always nicer than combining two photos in an editor. Of course, don't forget the macro focusing.
A nice setup is a black sheet of cardboard with a hole through which light comes into the crystal positioned on it.

White Yeti - 3-7-2012 at 10:33

Thanks for the advice Endimion. I wish I could take it, but I have tried to control the shutter speed of my camera several times prior and I was unsuccessful every time. Any tips?

Also, if I were to light this crystal from the inside I would need a very powerful lamp because the crystal is almost opaque; the thickness is such that almost no light comes through.

Poppy - 3-7-2012 at 10:56

Quote: Originally posted by White Yeti  
need a very powerful lamp because the crystal is almost opaque; the thickness is such that almost no light comes through.


Okay that was nostalgic ^^ nice crystal though
What if the crystal has too many veins?

[Edited on 7-3-2012 by Poppy]

Endimion17 - 3-7-2012 at 11:32

Quote: Originally posted by White Yeti  
Thanks for the advice Endimion. I wish I could take it, but I have tried to control the shutter speed of my camera several times prior and I was unsuccessful every time. Any tips?

Also, if I were to light this crystal from the inside I would need a very powerful lamp because the crystal is almost opaque; the thickness is such that almost no light comes through.


If the camera doesn't allow changing the shutter speed, there's not much you can do. Changing the ISO will probably mess up things, adding grain.

Is the crystal opaque, or is it only very dark, as it is supposed to be? Opaque would mean there are lots of impurities inside, so you probably can't do anything about it.

However, if it's just very dark, you can use a green laser. AFAIK, copper(II) in most of the solutions absorbs mainly in the red part of the spectrum. I think there's hardly any absorption in the green part.
A reasonably strong laser (tens of miliwatts) would make it look transparent and shiny. The only thing is that the colour will not be the original one, which can be corrected in a photo editor.
Or you can use a blue laser, though they're much more expensive.
(eye protection is always needed)

liquidlightning - 3-7-2012 at 16:03

How did you grow it? Weight?

I just made a lot of copper acetate, would love to try my hand at this. Doubt it will turn out as nice as yours though.

[Edited on 4-7-2012 by liquidlightning]

Formatik - 7-7-2012 at 19:07

There's some really nice pictures in this thread.

kristofvagyok, the quality of your photos really stands out. The Budapest sunset is awesome.

Here are some pretty compounds, not very large pictures unfortunately:

http://www.experimente.org/ChemikalienBilder.htm

White Yeti - 10-7-2012 at 18:38

Quote: Originally posted by Endimion17  
Is the crystal opaque, or is it only very dark, as it is supposed to be? Opaque would mean there are lots of impurities inside, so you probably can't do anything about it.


I'm reasonably certain that the crystal has very few impurities. It seems opaque because of it's size and also because of the overall deep blue colour of copper acetate itself. I don't have a green laser, I destroyed the only one I had by tampering with the batteries and frying the diode. Yes I'm a noob, but that was a long time ago; I wouldn't do something like that again.

Quote:
I just made a lot of copper acetate, would love to try my hand at this. Doubt it will turn out as nice as yours though.


Thanks for the compliment. I find that crystals grow very large when there are few nucleation sites. You can achieve this by filtering the solution, filtering it again and filtering it again. If there are still particles smaller than the pores of your filter, let them settle to the bottom and decant the aqueous portion. Then, place the solution in a spotless jar. The result is that 3 or 4 large crystals form instead of a myriad of small ones. If possible, try to put it in a place where it will be undisturbed, I find that even after making sure there are as few nucleation sites as possible, a fruit fly always finds its way in:mad: My newest solution to this problem is to place a funnel over the opening of the jar. It's keeping the flies out, but the water doesn't seem to be evaporating too well. I might try to use a fine mesh of some kind.

Also, resist the temptation of stirring the solution at all costs. The fewer the disturbances, the larger the crystals.

While I'm here, I'd like to share a method I use to store crystals. Many of you know that crystals grown from an aqueous solution get damaged by humid air, even more so when the solute is mildly hygroscopic. This can be somewhat irritating, especially of the crystal took months to grow.

I find that making a saran wrap pocket around the specimen and sealing the pocket with a hot iron is both easy, cheap and effective. The tab left over from where the plastic re-solidifies is also a convenient spot for a label, as shown below. Yes the picture is not great, but it is meant to show a method, not to be pretty. The crystal is the same one as in my other picture, along with a few others that grew alongside it.

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DoctorOfPhilosophy - 12-7-2012 at 02:13

Nice crystal! I also made one, of gallium, and accidentally. I just left it to cool and when I came back I found this:






Here is the original 1kg packaging. The clear bottle contains XRF spectrometer slides. Confirmed 99.99% purity. I'm actually looking to get rid of it, so if anyone is interested I'll beat any price you find online!


RadioTrefoil - 12-7-2012 at 05:13

Alkali metals dissolved in anyhrous ammonia makes a lovely bronze colour despite the metals themselves being grey. A solution of lithium in NH3 would make some very pretty pictures indeed.

DJF90 - 12-7-2012 at 05:17

I'm sure Sedit has shown pictures of lithium ammonia bronze on here...

Endimion17 - 14-7-2012 at 04:55

I've found this not so recent and not so nice photo either.

This is the purest large batch I've ever made. It's completely free of visible impurities and looks like plastic. I've made transparent colorless samples before, but only spheres few mm in diameter.
I guess the next step would be to let it stay molten under dilute chromic acid for a few days when it supposedly becomes transparent, however I'm not sure what happens with its color. I'll try that soon and report the results.

blogfast25 - 14-7-2012 at 06:48

Do tell us what it is? It takes the guesswork out of things...

Wizzard - 14-7-2012 at 08:00

White phosphorus, of course! ;)

Pyro - 15-7-2012 at 09:54

I just got a beaker full of these beautiful sulphur crystals while recrystallizing with toluene.


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they look exactly like a little garden.

[Edited on 15-7-2012 by Pyro]

cyanureeves - 15-7-2012 at 11:55

Pyro one time i dried distilled sulfur powder and after a long time i opened the old burned can used for a still pot and broke up the fused blackened sulfur.inside the shiny black rocklike mass was a bright yellow lattice looking stuff almost like your sulfur. i only got a few ml. of liquid and i recall adding a couple of drops to ammonium hydroxide i made from deer hooves and i got a thick gel of nasty goop.

Pyro - 15-7-2012 at 15:20

well, distilling is probably best for large amounts and if you have the right equipment available. but I dont have any glass condensers that i feel like cleaning for a bit of sulphur.
I find toluene more appealing, about 20g S per 100ml toluene at 100* C and only a few grams at 20*C. I got the idea from woelen :)
do you have a pic of your crystals? cos bright yellow crystals amidst a big black sounds pretty :P

cyanureeves - 15-7-2012 at 16:34

no pics and no it aint worth it.i went straight to the second pic and only now do i see that the sulfur needles are towering inside the toluene.very nice, looks like the place where jorel talked to clark kent.

Pyro - 15-7-2012 at 16:41

I made one of them a bit better with irfanview:

it looks so cool, you should try it just to see them grow.
put 20g of sulfur in 100 ml toluene. then put in a deep pot with a little water, boil for 30 mins with a flask of cold water on top to act as reflux. all the time keep a beaker in the water to get it good and hot. then, after 30 mins filter everything into the clean hot beaker and turn off the heat.
then put on the lid and leave a couple of hours to cool down completely. then you will have crystals like those

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Pyro - 17-7-2012 at 08:04

just got a very nice picture of iron that has changed from solid to liquid in a small area (ie. cutting with an acetylene torch)
and the the crystalline structure inside a solidified lump of iron that came from cutting.
sorry about the size


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[Edited on 17-7-2012 by Pyro]

Wizzard - 17-7-2012 at 11:46

My own sulfur crystals :)


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Pyro - 17-7-2012 at 11:52

nice, how did you get them like that?
mine are all flaky. can you U2U me the process?

synthetic sunrise

polymerizer87 - 17-7-2012 at 12:49

a 2-ethylhexylmercaptan complex i just recently synthesized

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MrHomeScientist - 17-7-2012 at 13:58

I'm also interested in your process Wizzard! Those are gorgeous big crystals of sulfur, and I really want to do something like that for my element collection. Much more interesting than a powder!

Rogeryermaw - 22-7-2012 at 15:15

crystals of potassium chlorate from the bleach method

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this method is very inefficient. this is from about 5-6 cups of bleach @ 6%. there may be a couple of grams to scrape out of my crystallization dish.

[Edited on 22-7-2012 by Rogeryermaw]

cyanureeves - 23-7-2012 at 15:43

does anyone know what solvent can clean my Tetramine copper nitrate crystals? i used a little too much ammonium nitrate and the purple crystals are covered by a blanket of blue stuff.

plante1999 - 23-7-2012 at 15:50

Normally acetone do a good job to clean tetraamine copper salts.

Mailinmypocket - 23-7-2012 at 16:06

I put together a weather glass a while back and it is supposed to react to weather conditions with different crystal patterns and whatnot. I have forgotten about it for a few months and today we had a big storm and I got the idea to go see what is was doing. It is supposed to start crystalling in response to weather coming in 1-2 days so i don't know when it started to crystallize, it is normally a clear solution though. It was "snowing" these snowflake pattern crystals which, according to the prep I used indicates precipitation! I'm not sure that this is a reliable way to predict weather but pretty nonetheless!


The second picture is one of some crystals of KClO3 I had crystallizing in the fridge after 2 days of electrolysis with MMO electrodes :) Long needle crystals, looked quite nicer in person but you get the idea.


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kuro96inlaila - 24-7-2012 at 08:07

Quote: Originally posted by Wizzard  
My own sulfur crystals :)


Wizzard,what solvent did you use for growing this beautiful sulfur crystal?

Endimion17 - 27-7-2012 at 04:34

Interesting, Mailinmypocket, I was just preparing to make my own version. It responds to the temperature and is a very unreliable method, but so pretty. :)

Here's something special, although the photo is a disaster.


It's a phosphorus ring I'm holding above a wet floor. It reminded me of annular eclipse sunsets.
Unfortunatelly, it snapped. You can see it here. 1, 2

White Yeti - 27-7-2012 at 11:17

Endimion17, you really have an obsession with preparing white phosphorus. I made some WP myself, about a quarter of a gram, the glow was simply stunning, but the smell of P2O10 and the hazards of WP still give me the chills. That's when I know I'll won't make white phosphorus for fun unless I have a really good use for it.

Altogether, how many pounds of phosphorus do you think you've made so far?:D

Endimion17 - 27-7-2012 at 12:33

This is it. I don't know the exact mass because I didn't really care to measure it before the last purification. My last very pure batch (check the phosphorus preparation thread) is less than 4 g. It might seem much, but it really isn't. The entire volume I've ever made, combined, is probably less than one smaller human finger.

I've made a benzene solution of it and spilled it outside in the dark. Holy crap, it's awesome in the breeze (I was upwind, mainly to avoid benzene, the amount of P is actually negligible). It reminds of the tales of will-o'-the-wisp. Cold, eerie fire that lasts for 10 minutes or more. My cat displayed a significant amount of interest. :D

One more photo, of the nitric acid method of purification.


Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to watch the opening of the Olympic games. So far, it's been awesome. :)

vmelkon - 30-7-2012 at 18:11

A RBF full of orange peel, for distilling off some limonene.

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Hexavalent - 31-7-2012 at 12:57

Some nice samples, unfortunately my coal-fired camera takes terrible images of them...

First is a large Bismuth crystal I grew, it is about 4cm across at the bottom.

Second is a beautiful sample of Vanadinita I purchased - the hexagonal crystal structure is evident.

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adianadiadi - 1-8-2012 at 02:49

Quote: Originally posted by metalresearcher  
@woelen:
Pic 2 is really nice but is that not an explosion hazard ? Vaporized ethanol (or even supermarket-grade methylated spirit with the blue dye) with air is explosive ??

Pic 3: Singlet oxygen is single atomic O ? Nice trick if I can get the 30% H2O2 (ebay ?) and swimming pool stuff.


Wonderful. May I know where from I get that swimming pool chemical?

quinoxaline man - 1-8-2012 at 03:53

Quote: Originally posted by adianadiadi  
Quote: Originally posted by metalresearcher  
@woelen:

Wonderful. May I know where from I get that swimming pool chemical?


Try http://www.purehealthdiscounts.com/pool.htm


White Yeti - 1-8-2012 at 05:56

Sometimes the program puts an extra quote bubble around what you say, it's odd. Has anyone else had the same problem?

Arthur Dent - 1-8-2012 at 08:23

It's like inception. A quote within a quote! ;) LOL

Robert

Lambda-Eyde - 1-8-2012 at 10:03

Quote: Originally posted by White Yeti  
Sometimes the program puts an extra quote bubble around what you say, it's odd. Has anyone else had the same problem?


It happens when you accidentally delete a closing tag too much. The forum software appears to "fix" it by itself. If you quote the faulty post, you'll see that there are three starting tags but only two closing tags.

[Edited on 1-8-2012 by Lambda-Eyde]

Freshly grown tin crystals

Mailinmypocket - 6-8-2012 at 13:31

Made some floating tin sponges tonight, this is the underside of the first one made in 10 minutes. I wish I was able to take closer up pictures of the crystals though.

I have another set going now, hopefully there are larger crystals!

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Endimion17 - 6-8-2012 at 14:28

Oh, Mailinmypocket, if you could only take a macro photo to show the intricate details. :O They seem to look like a forest of Christmas trees. How did you make them?


BTW here's something I've promised to post few days ago.

(full size photo)

Also, here's a photo of me cutting the sample with a knife. I think this was 30s exposure time, so the glow is too powerful. Nevertheless, an interesting photo.

I've borrowed my friend's camera. The sample's wet parts seem to have a much greater amount of color, but that's because of the greenish glow illuminating the insides of it.
As it's hard to catch the "real" color (makes you thing about the general concept of what's real), I tried to simulate it and I think I've hit the nail on the head. The exposure time might've been a tad bit too long, but that's ok. When you accustom your sight to the darkness, it really glows like this.
My only regret is that I can't find the way to capture the glowing fumes. A high definition video would be awesome, but that's impossible with today's cameras. One day we'll see that, too.

[Edited on 6-8-2012 by Endimion17]

[Edited on 7-8-2012 by Endimion17]

Mailinmypocket - 6-8-2012 at 15:02

Quote: Originally posted by Endimion17  
Oh, Mailinmypocket, if you could only take a macro photo to show the intricate details. :O They seem to look like a forest of Christmas trees. How did you make them?


Thanks :) they really do look awesome in bright light, so intricate and shiny, the other batch came out more flakey and less "needle-ish". Not really photo worthy..

its actually very simple to do, I have attached the PDF instructions but I do not follow this exactly... sometimes I use more or less SnCl2, to see how it turns out. I also dont bother filtering the acidified SnCl2 solution unless I really want to watch the growth (which happens really quickly). If you dont filter it it will just be milky, but does clear up somewhat when the tin crystals have stopped growing.

I used granular Zn instead of mossy as is suggested in the paper, next time i will try Zn dust and see how that goes.

Nice P pictures btw! You really have a perfect processes

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SbI3

Mailinmypocket - 13-8-2012 at 14:44

Ultra glittery SbI3 after vacuum drying :)

More pictures of the synthesis in the SbI3 thread.

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[Edited on 13-8-2012 by Mailinmypocket]

OTC Copper Mirror

arclight - 19-8-2012 at 09:16


Well, a partial one anyway. A 5mm wide band of good "mirror" with the area above and below coated in a somewhat granular layer. Still fiddling with the process.

Copper / Ammonium complex reduced with Ascorbic acid.

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[Edited on 19-8-2012 by arclight]

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