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IrC - 22-7-2015 at 12:51

Quote: Originally posted by blogfast25

Quote: Originally posted by IrC

On topic you just have to love stories like this:

http://www.infowars.com/global-warming-expedition-foiled-by-...

Alex Jones, dear? I leave that to franklyn. His cup of tea, totally. Don't forget to take Jones' super male vitality pills!

You cannot discount the story based upon your opinion of Alex and claim to be honest and fair while failing to study the links in the story which come from the Canadian government. This subterfuge you work is typical of the left. Dishonesty and refusal to give fair logical consideration to the actual facts is the MO your kind loves but it destroys all credibility you may believe you have. So does your never ending treatment of members with utter contempt, as with your use of 'dear' (which by the way you can shove). Your nonstop insulting members and contemptible treatment of others strips any possible usefulness as it pertains to any science you may engage in since no amount of knowledge can cover such a completely empty soul which amounts to being less than nothing.

Varmint - 22-7-2015 at 12:52

bloggie:

Actually I do my own work because I don't trust the certified mechanics to charge a fair price.

Now you really didn't deserve that answer because I know you are just trying to lash out, no matter how poorly executed, but I thought you should know.

And I'm not even close to suspicious of AGW, I know they are absolutely full of shit. So do they, that's why they were caught discussing how best to perpetuate the lie.

Answer me this: Why are the qualified climate scientists that want nothing to do with the global warming crowd dismissed as crackpots? Oh, that's right, the global warming crowd (and Lindsay Graham) said the science is settled. Anyone who disagrees is supposed to be called a name, just like those who don't embrace homosexuality as "special" are called names.

blogfast25 - 22-7-2015 at 12:52

Quote: Originally posted by MrHomeScientist

Please restrict all postings in this thread and related ones to Whimsy, IMO.

Motion seconded! As suggested higher up. Only a mod can move it now, though...

[Edited on 22-7-2015 by blogfast25]

AJKOER - 30-7-2015 at 11:32

The other day I heard some interesting discussion on NPR about the latest observation of warming in the North pole and cooling in Antarctica based on a 65,000 years of temperature history taken from a very long ice core sample!

Apparently, the scientist says that one must envision a flexible seasaw relating to complex ocean temperature transmission between the poles via ocean currents that sink on the way down from the north. The expected lag between rises in one pole being observed in the other pole is said to approach 200 years based on history, so in the interm cooling could be observed in the opposite pole.

My take on the bottom line important to survival, extreme weather events in the northern hemisphere due to rising ocean temperatures may not be manifested at the other end of the globe for a long time! Given the apparent 100+ year lag, the wise should quietly relocate to land masses near the opposite pole with average drop in temperature being witness.

With respect to the debate on global temperature change, this finding, in my opinion, is not kind to either side. It seems to me, given the underlying global dynamics on ocean temperature transmission rate, that one should be using a rolling 200 year average of points symmetrically chosen around the globe on ocean temperature (which likely does not exist). Otherwise, you just talking about short term local weather effects.

[Edited on 30-7-2015 by AJKOER]

franklyn - 10-8-2015 at 05:22

At Last the Data Exposed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFyH-b3FRvE

Tim Ball on Corruption of Climate Science
http://youtu.be/Owm25OHGglk?t=4m24s

IPCC exposed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pruTqY_JLcg&t=26s

Ivar Giaever on Global Warming Religion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCy_UOjEir0&t=30s

Freeman Dyson on the Global Warming Hysteria
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiKfWdXXfIs&t=3m6s

David Bellamy denounces climate change fraud
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuYEJTtbG94&t=1m48s
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2nndlt_david-bellamy-bbc-a...

" The great tragedy of Science is the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact "
— Thomas Huxley

" Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored "
— Aldous Huxley

blogfast25 - 10-8-2015 at 07:10

Here’s the self-proclaimed expert, tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist and general nutjob ‘franklyn’ with enthusiastic support for the Pakistani water car, a scam so pernicious and damaging for Pakistan’s scientific reputation that it caused serious ripples in that country’s Government:

Quote: Originally posted by franklyn

You can't argue with success
http://screen.yahoo.com/pakistani-water-kit-fuel-vehicle-144...

At the very bottom here I venture a guess at how this might work
http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=11102#pid134955[/size]

Quote: Originally posted by franklyn

I cited the video in the first post of this thread knowing nothing more about it than what it shows. Anytime someone can show a running prototype that's something worth looking at because it can be tested. That's how science works by the way , by experiment. I have since read that the engine in part combusts 2H2 + O2 from an 2H2O electrolyser powered by the alternator. I had invented that myself when I was 11 years old ( or perhaps re-invented it ). I enthusiastically proceded to the engineering library to meta reasearch the technical aspects ( that's what one did back then, the only people that had on line services was NORAD). I soon discovered the best one could expect is such a scheme could only make perhaps a 1/4 of what is consumed.
[Edited on 14-6-2015 by franklyn]

Quote: Originally posted by franklyn

@ blogfast25
Who are you quoting here by the way => " Science doesn't just ' work by experiment '."
To human knowledge Science only works because of experiment.

" Here your hero is building a machine that is supposed to violate conservation of energy. We know that doesn't work. No need to test such a machine."
— Your attribution confirms your conclusion no need to look through the telescope since it doesn't confirm what we ' know ' as Galileo heard it.

" HHO scam machines have been independently empirically tested and found indeed completely wanting."
— Citation needed, how is " HHO machine " related to the Agha Waqar device.

Yes, HOW indeed is the HHO scam related to Waqar’s whacky car? ROFLOL! Waqar also stated that the laws of thermodynamics did not apply to his invention! That’s kind of true since as his ‘invention’ was a scam from start to finish.

Quote: Originally posted by franklyn

@ j_sum1

Back at you ' Sigh '

I can only reiterate what I said previously ,
One has to wonder , if it's no good , then so what , who cares , why are so many putting forth so much effort to convince everyone if that's what it is.
This seeming umbrage and vendetta against what is for now just an eccentric curiosity, which much to their delight is certainly to be bogus.
This is anti - intellectualism of the highest order , the incessant pillorying of the topic so that it be put into detritus is the self evident proof of this.

Having dug a deep hole for himself, our resident nutzie doesn’t mind digging a little deeper:

Quote: Originally posted by franklyn

Who has been scammed ? Only someone who buys a kit, is dissatisfied and does not receive a full and courteous refund would legitimately qualify. Where is the clamor of all those alleged to have been cheated.

While this is only an endorsing anecdotal testimonial on a similar device it begs the question what's the beef ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYMduU0yww8

[Edited on 14-6-2015 by franklyn]

‘Where’s the beef?’ ‘Where’s the clamor?’

Answer: on the Pakistani side of the Tinkerwebs, you FOOL. Where you forgot to look but I didn’t (see the end of that thread).

So here we have it. Franklyn endorses a lone and quite vicious scammer whose claims anyone with a basic understanding of the conservation of energy can see right through, yet claims to have sufficient understanding to condemn the work of thousands of ACC scientists as a ‘hoax’, on a scale that would make the (non-existent) “9/11 conspiracy” blush...

aga - 10-8-2015 at 07:35

Quote: Originally posted by blogfast25

the Agha Waqar device

Is it possible that i made all that up and posted it when very drunk indeed, and have since forgotten ?

Sounds dangerously close to "the Aga WaterCar device".

franklyn - 10-8-2015 at 10:16

Blogfast25 has an inability to accept facts and truth , clinging to imaginary projections that I for one have every confidence may never be realized. But I can't claim to be sure. Where normal persons can disagree with your views , this intellectually self accredited brain stem will proclaim disapproval of them , obsessively and compulsively footnoting nearly every post of mine to tell you so. Even though knowledge of the future is beyond human ability Blogfast25 is absolutely sure. Which constitutes self confirmation of an inability to accept facts and truth , and a notably pronounced inability to keep from wandering off a thread topic.

aga - 10-8-2015 at 13:22

There isn't any actual Science going on in this thread.

My opinion is that the effect of the naturally occuring species, humans included, have very little effect on what the Planet as whole does anyway, and certainly cannot divert that process.

I cite the discovery of a succession of Ice Ages, interspersed with warmer periods such as this past millenium.

'Climate Science' is a bit vague and not really capable of being actual Science IMHO, as it simply has not been studied for long enough to have sufficient data.

In summary, All arguments about the Global Climate are worthless, as they are groundless, given that there is no accurate Global Climate Data covering the past 100,000 years to be analysed, and no significant modulation of the output of human-produced products in isolation from non-human products.

So far, all we know is that it gets cold enough to form ice, and then hot enough to melt it in cycles of hot/cold spanning 1000s of years each cycle.

Add in a stray asteroid or enormous volcanic eruption, and even those assumptions float out of the window.

Basically, we know very little so far, so i'm more with Bellamy on this one, in that i do not accept that there is any significant actual Scientific data to be relied upon to make a definitive statement.

[Edited on 10-8-2015 by aga]

blogfast25 - 10-8-2015 at 14:30

Quote: Originally posted by franklyn

Blogfast25 has an inability to accept facts and truth , clinging to imaginary projections that I for one have every confidence may never be realized. But I can't claim to be sure. Where normal persons can disagree with your views , this intellectually self accredited brain stem will proclaim disapproval of them , obsessively and compulsively footnoting nearly every post of mine to tell you so. Even though knowledge of the future is beyond human ability Blogfast25 is absolutely sure. Which constitutes self confirmation of an inability to accept facts and truth , and a notably pronounced inability to keep from wandering off a thread topic.

Says a nutcase who doesn't accept the laws of thermodynamics.

Knowledge of the future is not completely beyond human ability. Of course if you want to bet that water cars like Waqar's will one day be possible you're betting on the slimmest of odds, that seems to be your thing.

As regards 'obsessive compulsive', who here keeps on link spamming almost random links, in the full knowledge that anyone else could do that too, of course (is that what you want because I could easily oblige, you know?). You've made your point, maybe it's time to give it a rest.

I do NOT claim certainty re. ACC, nor do the scientists themselves. It's YOU who claims to KNOW for CERTAIN the science is a hoax. This has already been dealt with higher up.

You remain almost universally despised on this forum. Bweurk!!!

[Edited on 10-8-2015 by blogfast25]

blogfast25 - 10-8-2015 at 14:37

Quote: Originally posted by aga

'Climate Science' is a bit vague and not really capable of being actual Science IMHO, as it simply has not been studied for long enough to have sufficient data.

You make this argument each time you don't understand something. See also GMO. At one point also QM. Who are you to judge whether something has been studied for long enough? You're also in NO position to judge what constitutes 'actual science'.

The argument that 'it's not been researched enough' has been used historically against anything from vaccinations to electric pylons, BTW...

You're entitled to your opinion but if I have to choose between your kind of fluff and decades long of thorough research I know the choice is real easy to make.

[Edited on 10-8-2015 by blogfast25]

franklyn - 11-8-2015 at 00:52

The origin of the shibboleth " the consensus of 97 % of ' Climate Scientists ' "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFyH-b3FRvE&t=1h7m5s , watch for 4 minutes
claimed ' consensus ' 75 / 77 = 97.4 % , the actual ' consensus ' 75 / 3146 = 2.4 %

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pruTqY_JLcg&t=5m59s , watch for 4 1/2 minutes

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/18/about-that-overwhelmin...

Figures don't lie but liars will figure

On the other side —
Because surveys refuting ' consensus ' are acrimoniously vilified we can be confident they're good and valid
http://www.heartland.org/policy-documents/you-call-consensus , See also (12) & (13) here near the bottom

Related post
http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=860&am...
Further reading
http://godfatherpolitics.com/15535/obama-gores-global-warmin...

April 22, 1970 , the first Earth Day coincides with the centennial birthday of Vladimir Ilich Lenin. It could have been on April 20 , but that was Adolph Hitler's Birthday. http://cei.org/blog/earth-day-lenins-birthday-coincidence . The counterculture then commenced it's agenda that perniciously persists to this day. Shape changing to suit the prevailing call to action to stave off imaginary ills never to be realized. Sound familiar — http://www.freedomworks.org/content/13-worst-predictions-mad...

Is Donald Trump’s campaign making a mockery of the political process or is it exposing the mockery that the political process has become ? Middle Americans from the heartland are looking past his utter lack of decorum and political correctness to validate and endorse his outrage. The more he's hated the more they love him. Not playing the usual political games , unintimidated and outspoken he's very appealing to people who feel like they lack power or a voice. People get a vicarious thrill out of seeing somebody speak truth to power and they get this in spades with Donald Trump a staunch skeptic of the global warming agenda. Righteous indignation is something the establishment does not know what to do about. This time the establishment may just crash and burn.

[Edited on 11-8-2015 by franklyn]

hissingnoise - 11-8-2015 at 01:55

Quote:

April 22, 1970 , the first Earth Day coincides with the centennial birthday of Vladimir Ilich Lenin. It could have been on April 20 , but that was Adolph Hitler's Birthday.

Typical 'RWNJ conspiracy obsessive' misspelling both their names . . .

Varmint - 11-8-2015 at 04:51

Hissing:

LOL, you leftie freaks are a hoot.

Instead of questioning the obvious (where is there any evidence that Ulyanov's birthday has anything to do with the scheduling), you use the leftie playbook guideline "if you are uncomfortable with any published account, look for spelling, grammatical, or other flaws you can use to discount that which inflames your sensibilities".

But here's the deal: Who the fuck cares if Franklyn misspelled not one but both names? Were you unable to immediately make the connection, did the misspelling throw you for a loop? Did it take you hours and hours of research to finally decipher who he was talking about?

I understand Franklyn is really not capable of making a solid case that will cause you or any other climate lie worshipper to rethink their position, but that's not Franklyn's fault, nor the fault of the linked materials. The problem lies in your utter and complete NEED to embrace climate change as a religion.

You've been given instructions to ridicule and humiliate anyone or any group daring to oppose the view you've taken to heart, we understand that, and we feel really bad for you. It must be hell being lead around by the nose by people who not only lie to you, but collude in order to perpetuate the lie.

Your first clue should have been the fact that Al Gore's "hockey stick graph" was the original lie, and in fact the genesis of this entire religion of yours. In case you missed it, the "perfect alignment" of CO2 and temperature had to be skewed by 800 years or so to achieve that "perfect" alignment.

Your second clue really should have been "settled science". Settled by whom? Well, for people like you, "whom" is irrelevant because, well...it's SETTLED! LOL

Your third clue should have been the "climate scientists" who are spinning this tale for your consumption declaring any scientist not agreeing with their fabricated findings should be kicked out of research positions and/or being subject to revocation of their credentials.

Your high priests are actively seeking, each and every day, to keep you bowing at the altar of climate change.

blogfast25 - 11-8-2015 at 06:20

Quote: Originally posted by franklyn

April 22, 1970 , the first Earth Day coincides with the centennial birthday of Vladimir Ilich Lenin. It could have been on April 20 , but that was Adolph Hitler's Birthday. http://cei.org/blog/earth-day-lenins-birthday-coincidence . The counterculture then commenced it's agenda that perniciously persists to this day. Shape changing to suit the prevailing call to action to stave off imaginary ills never to be realized. Sound familiar — http://www.freedomworks.org/content/13-worst-predictions-mad...

Is Donald Trump’s campaign making a mockery of the political process or is it exposing the mockery that the political process has become ? Middle Americans from the heartland are looking past his utter lack of decorum and political correctness to validate and endorse his outrage.

Look, I confess, OK? Climate change theory IS a Cultural Marxist coup, designed to bring America the Beautiful to its knees economically and replace Capitalism with Maoism/Stalinism/Islamism. So far Communist in Chief, aka The Ayatollah of Washington, Supreme Leader Hussein Obama, has been doing an excellent job, so keep it up, Dear Leader! Let a trillion flowers bloom!

/satire off.

You're a right wing nut job of a particular variety. BTW, always avoid using the number "18" because it stands for 'Adolf Hitler'! Well known, that!

As regards 'Yoooooge Donald', all I can say is 'Trump for the Republican nomination!'. Yes, PLEASE! If that fails, let him run as an independent. You do realise what both outcomes would signify, right franklyn?

@Varmint:

Has it ever, ever occurred to you that those who oppose the notion of man made climate change might actually be those who believe they stand much to lose from reducing fossil fuel consumption? You know, like Big Oil? Do you see many in e.g. Texas that entertain the notion of ACC? Ask yourself why, maybe? Or why there's such an extraordinary amount of resistance to ACC theory in the USA (compared to most of the West), a veritable fuel guzzler of a country?

[Edited on 11-8-2015 by blogfast25]

Varmint - 11-8-2015 at 06:39

No Bloggie, that hasn't occurred to me. What has occurred to me is that no small number of those who want to believe in the junk science religion of global warming have an ass on for the United States, and tend to discount the former glory of their homeland as "an illusion".

I also attribute the greater number of "deniers" in the US as an unexpected yet gratifying sign of superior intelligence. Now it might be a stretch to equate simply understanding liars getting caught colluding on perpetuating the big lie as intelligence, but the rest of you leave us no choice. You KNOW they were caught, yet you still treat it as an aberration, a minor upset?

Take a hike Bloggie. Enjoy the beautiful outdoors. Once you get back inside you can ponder whether the hike was really nice, or was it just an illusion?

blogfast25 - 11-8-2015 at 07:09

Quote: Originally posted by Varmint

I also attribute the greater number of "deniers" in the US as an unexpected yet gratifying sign of superior intelligence.

Varmint, it should go without saying that "The Greatest Nation on Earth (TM)" should exhibit superior intelligence, especially the White and apple pie bit, of course.

Silly me for not seeing that. Sorry.

\satire off

You and franklyn make a nice pair of clowns, that's for sure! How... erm, gratifying!

[Edited on 11-8-2015 by blogfast25]

Varmint - 11-8-2015 at 07:21

As expected Bloggie, no justification for continuing to believe the lies, just shout down the messenger.

Your high priests will be happy to learn your programming has been a smashing success.

Seriously bub, you are wasting your time. You might do better to lay in wait for an unsuspecting poster to jump on, you've demonstrated that to be something of a life's mission.

blogfast25 - 11-8-2015 at 07:40

Varmint, your particular form of supremacism as a basis for your denial is one of the funniest things I've come across this month at least. It's been filed for future reference. Thank you.

Varmint - 11-8-2015 at 07:49

Welcome Bloggie!

Texium - 11-8-2015 at 08:52

*sigh* We need a new bfesser. This thread has gotten filled up with garbage ever since he left.

aga - 11-8-2015 at 09:02

I did some Science today, and the temperature here is 1.4 C higher today at this time of day (same apparatus, location and temporal datum point used in all 2 measurements) conclusively proving that the planet is warming up.

By extrapolation of this vast body of data, it will be 2.8 C higher tomorrow, and we will all be dead by a week on Thursday.

Measurements are ongoing. More tomorrow.

Christ, this Climate Science is scary.

Texium - 11-8-2015 at 09:03

Quote: Originally posted by aga

I did some Science today, and the temperature here is 1.4 C higher today at this time of day (same apparatus, location and temporal datum point used in all 2 measurements) conclusively proving that the planet is warming up.

By extrapolation of this vast body of data, it will be 2.8 C higher tomorrow, and we will all be dead by a week on Thursday.

Measurements are ongoing. More tomorrow.

Christ, this Climate Science is scary.

You aren't making it any better, aga

Yeah don't you wish

franklyn - 11-8-2015 at 09:08

Quote: Originally posted by zts16

*sigh* We need a new bfesser. This thread has gotten filled up with garbage ever since he left.

http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=26845#...

blogfast25 - 11-8-2015 at 09:53

Quote: Originally posted by aga

Christ, this Climate Science is scary.

Not really but that joke isn't very funny either.

blogfast25 - 11-8-2015 at 10:00

Quote: Originally posted by franklyn

http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=26845#...

From your 'contribution' to that 'thread':

Quote:

Sure , there are some good liberals , of course these liberals all happen to be dead , and cannot harm society any more , from six feet under.

Real classy, franklyn.

Almost as classy as your veiled death threats to watson.fawkes all these moons ago.

You really are a petty crybaby, aren't you? Each time someone opposes your rancid views, it's a conspiracy by 'liberals' to silence you, isn't it? I pity libertarian paranoiacs like you...

[Edited on 11-8-2015 by blogfast25]

aga - 11-8-2015 at 10:38

Quote: Originally posted by zts16

You aren't making it any better, aga

What's to make better ?

You cannot polish a turd.

Texium - 11-8-2015 at 11:14

Quote: Originally posted by aga

Quote: Originally posted by zts16

You aren't making it any better, aga

What's to make better ?

You cannot polish a turd.

No, you can't. But in this case the turd is smeared over what started out as a decent thread. It would be lovely if a moderator would prune and remove everything from where the science ends and the politics begins and set that up in a new argument thread in Whimsy. bfesser did a grand job of that when he was here, as you can see from the first page of this thread, but since then it has taken on a life of its own and everything of value has been buried.

To remind you of what this thread was supposed to be:

Quote: Originally posted by bfesser

If I extrapolate mayko's intentions correctly, this thread was intended for posting educational resources, references, etc.—not for bickering and debating climate change, global warming (GW), anthropogenic global warming (AGW), or whatever you choose to call it.

<img src="../scipics/_warn.png" /> No debate in this thread. Please don't make me split or prune it again (further argument may be deleted). <img src="../scipics/_warn.png" />

Quote: Originally posted by mayko

Your extrapolation was correct. I am torn between letting this nonsense stand and being late for work.

I will just say that I encourage interested parties to investigate the online course, which covers topics such as water vapor feedback and the carbon cycle.

I also note that another role for the amateur is to be informed should they have to write letters to the editor or the like.

Pathetic really how that tide rushed in as soon as he was no longer here to hold it back.

aga - 11-8-2015 at 11:46

Sad in a way, but that's Progress for you.

<img src="../scipics/_warn.png" />

cool. a warning triangle.

[Edited on 11-8-2015 by aga]

franklyn - 15-8-2015 at 10:55

Global Warming - Peer-Review Deception
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcp40a6IYdY

NASA Scientists Invalidate the Global Warming Hypothesis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deNbnxaJYOU&t=2m3s

Confessions of a Greenpeace Dropout - Dr Patrick Moore
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCrkqLaYjnc&t=1m11s

Global Warming : Facts versus Faith by Walter Cunningham
http://www.waltercunningham.com/factsfaith.pdf

Cunningham was an astronaut on Apollo 7

AJKOER - 16-8-2015 at 08:19

Quote: Originally posted by franklyn

.....

Is Donald Trump’s campaign making a mockery of the political process or is it exposing the mockery that the political process has become ? Middle Americans from the heartland are looking past his utter lack of decorum and political correctness to validate and endorse his outrage. The more he's hated the more they love him. Not playing the usual political games , unintimidated and outspoken he's very appealing to people who feel like they lack power or a voice. People get a vicarious thrill out of seeing somebody speak truth to power and they get this in spades with Donald Trump a staunch skeptic of the global warming agenda. Righteous indignation is something the establishment does not know what to do about. This time the establishment may just crash and burn.
[Edited on 11-8-2015 by franklyn]

Completely agree!

I also thought it was most revealing how Fox news attempted to knock off Donald with some very pointed hard questions only to fail! Everyone else got a pass especially Bush who, in my opinion, broke election laws (the very pillar of democracy), by having votering rolls purged of likely democrats, ridiculous long lines and made access to some minority voting polling precincts nearly impossible! He should be in jail for election law violations and not running for anything!

Also, there may be more broken than just the political process. One should examine the entertainment news business as well.

I have decided to become an independent, or at least, upwind from the manure.

HeYBrO - 28-8-2015 at 03:03

I can definitely see franklyn in this paper

Do you believe in political climate change ?

franklyn - 29-8-2015 at 17:42

The premise that climate can be changed by politics.

It's either yes or else then it's no. If no then why are we talking about it ?

So by elimination it is yes.

Being political , necessarily means it cannot be science , but it surely is political science.

What ' science ' may be co-opted into the fray , is to bolster the premise with confirmation bias.

An example of scientific debate is whether dinosaurs where cold blooded or warm blooded.
When was the last time you heard a Papal encyclical on that.

If some yokel held a press conference declaring the debate is over , dinosaurs were cold blooded
because they look like lizards which are cold blooded , he would be seen as what he is , a crank
and loon.

Why isn't this the case with absurd assertions of avowed change in climate ?
It really speaks volumes about who populates mass media.

____________________________________________________________________________
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There is information which one is never going to know unless someone like Snowden tells it to you.
Conspiracies exist , even as they are denied by persons unqualified to express their unwanted opinion
but do so anyway , they have no need to wear tinfoil around their heads to keep from their already
beady brains what they cannot understand.

Lester Frank Ward , 1841 1913 was an ideologue cited as being the
" father of the modern welfare state "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lester_Frank_Ward
See - Influence on U.S. government policy , Quoted from there _
" As a political approach, Ward's system became known as social liberalism,
as distinguished from the classical liberalism of the eighteenth and nineteenth
centuries which featured such thinkers as Adam Smith and John Stuart Mill.
While classical liberalism had sought prosperity and progress through laissez-fare,
Ward's "American social liberalism" sought to enhance social progress through
direct government intervention. Ward believed that in large, complex and rapidly
growing societies human freedom could only be achieved with the assistance of
a strong democratic government acting in the interest of the individual. The
characteristic element of Ward's thinking was his faith that government, acting
on the empirical and scientifically based findings of the science of sociology,
could be harnessed to create a near Utopian social order."

In other words the founding of applied mass psychology to direct public policy.

Psychological clues to ways of manipulation. Basic techniques employed by professional magicians.
Even they can be fooled because one does not have complete control over ones own thinking even
as you know that you are being manipulated. The effects shown do not work for everyone , and that
is of no matter since they are a minority and for this reason inconsequential to mass psychological practice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1wzI4I51eA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O30fgno61js
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqq1xTFf2zY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1B-MpDbcVY
The point of this is if you are easily lead , you ' believe ' in climate change. Of course , doesn't everybody.

Sociology as an applied science
http://historymuse.net/readings/LeBonMASSPSYCHOLOGY.htm
— Gustave Le Bon 1841—1931
" by the mere fact that he forms part of an organized crowd,
a man descends several rungs in the ladder of civilization."
" In consequence, a crowd perpetually hovering on the borderland of
unconsciousness, readily yielding to all suggestions, having all the violence of
feeling peculiar to beings who cannot appeal to the influence of reason, deprived
of all critical faculty, cannot be otherwise than excessively credulous. The improbable
does not exist for a crowd, and it is necessary to bear this circumstance well in mind
to understand the facility with which are created and propagated the most improbable
legends and stories. A crowd thinks in images, and the image itself immediately
calls up a series of other images, having no logical connection with the first. Our
reason shows us the incoherence there is in these images, but a crowd is almost blind
to this truth, and confuses with the real event what the deforming action of its
imagination has superimposed thereon. A crowd scarcely distinguishes between the
subjective and the objective. It accepts as real the images evoked in its mind."
" It was Napoleon, I believe, who said that there is only one figure in rhetoric of
serious importance, namely, repetition. The thing affirmed comes by repetition to fix
itself in the mind in such a way that it is accepted in the end as a demonstrated truth."

" All news is lies and all propaganda is disguised as news."
— Willi Muzenberg
www.heretical.com/miscella/munzen.html

Reality is largely meaningless when in it's place is promulgated a mythic narrative
intended to promote turmoil and dissenting thought is declared ' crazy ' or ' antisocial '.

" When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations ,
the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic."
— James Dresden

" Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition,
it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures,
until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where
everyone lives in fear." — Harry S. Truman

www.salon.com/2010/01/15/sunstein_2
Cass Sunstein close advisor of Barack Obama has counseled
" The existence of both domestic and foreign conspiracy theories, we suggest,
is no trivial matter, posing real risks to the government's antiterrorism policies,
whatever the latter may be." " the best response consists in cognitive infiltration
of extremist groups ", " Government agents ( and their allies ) might enter chat
rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups and attempt to
undermine percolating conspiracy theories by raising doubts about their factual
premises, causal logic or implications for political action."

I pledge allegiance to the infrastructure of the Homeland Security Agency
and to the totalitarian Washington oligarchy which it serves ,
one world order under closed circuit television ,
omnipresent with oversight and surveillance for all.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2nosoe_ron-paul-warns-amer...
or here _
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7N7D3xA1IA

" telling us what to think has evolved into telling us what to say ,
so telling us what to do can't be far behind."
— Charlton Heston , 1999

Morkva - 30-8-2015 at 16:09

Regardless of the issue of climate change, the thread title "Climate Science for the Amateur" is a suggestive title indeed.

One conceives several experiments well suited for the amateur, for example, though international diplomacy has succeeded in curtailing the distribution of a class of aerosol propellants under the guise of the potential for the "depletion" of an ozone layer, named chlorofluorocarbons or CFC's, the science beyond this is still much under debate. Now the role of the amaterur comes into play!

The chlorocarbons - so alleges the hypothesis - exert an effect on the oxone layer by photolysis to chlorine and carbon radicals... It seems apparent then, that to meauser this effect it would be necessary to dispense a quantity of such a gas into the layer of the atmosphere. This can be done via balloons. The amateure will find it easy to prepare a samole of chloroform by ordinary means - as stated above, the fluorinated element is simply for rhetorical effect in the diplomatic negotiations - and to release a balloon laden, somehow, with the chlorocarbon and filled with such a lifting gas as hydrogen or helium such tat it will burst, in the sky, at the appropriate altitude having brought the substance at least nearer to it's goal. Indeed, one may prepare a number of such balloons and distribute them to local schoolchildren, enticing them to take part in an 'epochal experiment'! Then by spectro-photometric means one may measure the decline in concentration of ozone gas in its layer: if it looks less blue (the sky) well then, it clearly worked.

One may imagine other applications of this technology if the hypothetical causation is borne out. It has been claimed that flora, fauna, the ecosystem, and the general rates of skin cancer among human beings would all be affected. Perhaps then, it should have a role in America's military arsenal. In addition ultra violet rays are already used by medical practitioners to sterilize their tools: perhaps a decrease in ozone concentration, with the concomitant increase in said flux would lead to a resurgence in the public practice of that noblest craft of surgery.

Speaking of which, I recently imagined that a good bloodletting would do me good. Tradition can hardly be wrong. No, really. But not trusting myself to do the procedure well I asked my barber if he could help me... he looked at me like I was crazy! I said, well what's that spinning pole doing outside your window then? Ah, well.

Varmint - 31-8-2015 at 04:35

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zO9zEfqWDA

jharmon12 - 31-8-2015 at 08:55

I can't believe that blogfast is allowed to trounce over everyone that he doesn't agree with. I thought the moderators were supposed to eliminate these people from the gene pool. What is going on in this thread?

blogfast25 - 31-8-2015 at 09:09

Quote: Originally posted by jharmon12

I can't believe that blogfast is allowed to trounce over everyone that he doesn't agree with. I thought the moderators were supposed to eliminate these people from the gene pool. What is going on in this thread?

Read the thread and see how these people 'trounce' back. Perhaps you're showing your own bias on the issue, seeing the 'trouncing' from the side you disagree with but not from the side you agree with?

And 'eliminating people from the gene pool' sounds a little ominous too, you know?

Moderators should have dumped this turd of a thread in detritus a long time ago. There's nothing scientific about it.

[Edited on 31-8-2015 by blogfast25]

I can't help thinking Irwin Allen — right !

franklyn - 1-9-2015 at 21:01

http://gma.yahoo.com/president-obama-dont-condemn-children-p...

See it on film instead , The Day After Tomorrow ( 2004 )
www.comingsoon.net/movies/features/443367-the-15-biggest-dis...
www.dailymotion.com/video/x2igq9u_the-day-after-tomorrow-onl...
www.dailymotion.com/video/x2ihipy_the-day-after-tomorrow-onl...

Better still

Two Days Before the Day After Tomorrow
http://southpark.cc.com/clips/103840/who-to-blame
http://southpark.cc.com/clips/155004/randys-theory
http://southpark.cc.com/clips/103844/we-didnt-listen
http://southpark.cc.com/clips/155007/community-center
http://southpark.cc.com/clips/155009/randys-map-drawing

The real problem — Obama unmasked
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQLdPTXeapg

franklyn - 14-10-2015 at 21:24

Political Climatology
www.foxnews.com/science/2015/10/14/obama-took-wrong-side-on-...
Interview
www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/11/freeman_dyson_interview
critical lapses in the study of climate _
www.thegwpf.org/content/uploads/2015/10/benefits1.pdf

franklyn - 26-12-2015 at 10:14

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/122415-786884-three...

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