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Thiourea Dioxide --> better than borohydride?

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madscientist - 28-3-2013 at 05:43

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I really don't want to make a separation using diethyl ether. Perhaps dichloromethane can be used instead?


I've found that most procedures calling for an extraction with diethyl ether do so to avoid losses from rotovapping down something volatile. I almost always use DCM myself, due to it being heavier - no reloading the sep. funnel - and the ease of drying it. Na<sub>2</sub>SO<sub>4</sub> never seems to get diethyl ether dry enough, and MgSO<sub>4</sub> is somewhat soluble in it.

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I won't be doing the flash chromatography.

It is not really feasible for something as volatile as cyclohexanol anyway.


I will second this. I once had no choice but to run a column to isolate something with a b.p. near 100C, and it was a nightmare. I used pentanes/ether as the eluent, distilled it off carefully, and the yield still sucked. Coincidentally, Aldrich added it to their catalog a few days later, the first time I ever saw it commercially available. :mad: :D If the b.p. is much below 200C it's going to be a pain.

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* There are plenty of papers claiming this reagents reduces nitroaromatics to anilines under similar conditions. Besides, my BS detector goes wild in such cases due to the unfortunate frequency of fictional papers coming from India&Iran&Co. combined with certain weird things of which maybe the weirdest one is the oxygen content measured with an elemental analysis! Besides, the products are known compounds and they don't even give melting points and back them up with references. Another improper thing is in that they did not include any references for the nitroaromatics being reduced with thiourea dioxide. I'm sorry to say this, but whoever was the peer reviewer for this paper truly did a very lousy job.


I feel sorry for legitimate scientists from India and Iran trying to establish a career in chemistry as what Nicodem says is the truth. If I'm looking up a reference and I see "Iran" or "India" I am as inclined to believe their claims as if it were posted here by a member with three posts, two of which were outright spam. It's especially likely to be bogus if it appears to offer a miraculously simple, obvious solution to a general problem in synthesis, or is published in Tetrahedron Letters or an obscure journal. (The review process for Tetrahedron Letters is a joke and it sucks. Pharma sometimes publishes some interesting work there, but it's largely lost in the noise thanks to all of bogus papers. No SI, no procedures, lots of errors, and outrageous claims - all par for the course.)

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Magpie - 29-3-2013 at 10:02

This is a continuation of my preparation of cyclohexanol from cyclohexanone by reduction with TUD:

Yesterday I saturated the reaction product with NaCl. The supernate was then decanted to remove the excess solid NaCl. The decantate was then extracted with 22mL of DCM in a separatory funnel. The DCM separated quickly and cleanly from the aqueous phase. The DCM phase was then washed with 50mL of water in a separatory funnel. The separation here was very slow, but reasonably clean, as can be seen below:

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water wash of DCM phase

The organic fraction was then subjected to simple distillation to remove the DCM. This resulted in 4.6g of a yellow tinged liquid that did not solidify in an ice bath. Freezing point of cyclohexanol is 25.5°C. Today this product was subjected to a short-path distillation as shown below:

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short-path distillation

The condensate is 3.6g of clear cyclohexanol as shown below:

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distilled cyclohexanol

The boiling point during the distillation was 159.5°C vs a lit value of 161.1°C. The yield is 37.3%. This compares to the yield of 45% found by Shuan-Liang.

The product did have a camphor-like smell as reported in the literature. It was tainted with some urine smell however as I neglected to remove enough forerun during the distillation.

I am quite satisfied with these results and wish to thank Nicodem again for his excellent guidance. I feel that if this synthesis was done at a larger scale, and with scaled back solvent/NaOH/TUD to be more in line with stoichiometry as Nicodem recommended, that %yield would be improved.

edit: I also think that the 4 hr reaction period could be reduced considerably as the insoluble inorganic salts were formed quite early.

Questions, comments, and recommendations are welcomed.



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megalodon - 13-9-2013 at 10:40

I'd like to bring up reductive alkylation with TUD again ... has anyone had success with it?

The main hangup I see is in the formation of the imine. The reaction mechanism is catalyzed by protons. On the other hand, these TUD reductions are done under basic conditions. I wonder if there is a way to reconcile these conditions for a one-pot synthesis?

http://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2010/05/24/imines-and-...

mayko - 29-9-2013 at 05:56

I don't think this has been posted yet...

Thiourea dioxide promoted efficient organocatalytic one-pot synthesis of a library of novel heterocyclic compounds
Sanny Verma, Subodh Kumar, Suman L. Jain and Bir Sain
Org. Biomol. Chem., 2011, 9, 6943


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The utility of thiourea dioxide as an efficient organocatalyst
for the library synthesis of novel heterocyclic compounds
via one-pot multicomponent coupling reactions is disclosed.
Thiourea dioxide is an inexpensive and readily accessible
catalyst, resulting in better product yields as compared to the
corresponding thiourea as catalyst. Thiourea dioxide is found
to be insoluble in various organic solvents and therefore at the
end of the reaction products can be separated by extraction
with diethyl ether and the recovered catalyst can be used
several times with consistent catalytic activity.




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Ethyl acetoacetate synthesis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47S3OVwanhY

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mayko - 7-10-2016 at 11:44

"A metal free reduction of aryl-N-nitrosamines to corresponding hydrazines using sustainable reductant thiourea dioxide"


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Reduction of aryl-N-nitrosamines to corresponding hydrazines is
reported under metal free condition using sustainable industrial
reductant thiourea dioxide (TDO). The reaction takes place under
mild conditions in aqueous medium to provide good to excellent
yields of desired products. Sensitive functional groups such as
olefin, alkyne and aryl halides were found to be stable during the
reduction while a wide range of aryl N-nitrosamines were
successfully converted to desired hydrazines. One-pot synthesis of
arylhydrazines from corresponding secondary amines via Nnitrosamine
intermediate was established.


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a. Reaction conditions: N-nitrosamine (1 mmol), TDO (3 equiv.), CH3OH (2 mL), NaOH (1 molar, 6 equiv.) were stirred at 50 oC.

http://pubs.rsc.org/en/Content/ArticleLanding/2016/GC/C6GC02...

byko3y - 7-10-2016 at 14:14

Magpie, i have no reason to doubt Shuan-Liang's results, but 45% is a crappy yield for such an easy compound as alkyl substituted cyclohexanone. Sodium dithionite gives 80% yield of cyclohexanol from cyclohexanone. I would consider thiourea dithionite to be a weaker analog of dithionite. In fact, aerobic decomposition fo thiourea dioxide leads to dithionite production, while anaerobic decomposition product, sulfoxylate SO22-, is unstable and a weak reducing agent, decomposing further into bisulfite and sulfide.

Chemetix - 18-10-2016 at 03:53

Yawn, Nitrostyrene with Raney Ni, H2 in MeOH gives a better yield thank you very much. Without the rubbish work up and chasing exotic solvents and reagents.
TUD might have better luck with other substrates, but the TM in question is very old hat indeed.

mackolol - 27-6-2018 at 05:12

Does anybody have an access to document "Reduction of Organic Compounds with Thiourea Dioxide II. The Reduction of Organic Nitrogen Compounds" translated to english or any document that contains information about reducing aromatic nitro compounds using TUDO?

MJ101 - 27-6-2018 at 10:05

Quote: Originally posted by UnintentionalChaos  
Hey look, someone (me) actually used TUD for something! I reduced 3-nitrophthalhydrazide to luminol, which is a reduction of an aromatic nitro group. So, not the most impressive demo of reducing power, but it's something:

http://youtu.be/-PGtoZEZnzc

Reduction at 3:34
Glowing stuff at 19:33


@UC: That's why I've watched just about all of your videos. ;)


mayko - 24-4-2023 at 17:13

interesting preprint:

Basoccu, F., Cuccu, F., Caboni, P., Luca, L. de, & Porcheddu, A. (2023). Mechanochemistry frees the thiourea dioxide (TDO) from the ’veils’ of the solvent, exposing all its reactivity. https://doi.org/10.20944/preprints202302.0062.v1

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The synthesis of nitrogen-based heterocycles has always been considered essential in the development of pharmaceuticals in medicine and agriculture. This explains why various synthetic
approaches have been proposed in recent decades. However, performing as methods often imply harsh conditions or the employment of toxic solvents and dangerous reagents. Mechanochemistry is undoubtedly one of the most promising technologies currently used for reducing any possible
environmental impact due to the worldwide interest in developing solvent-free synthetic pathways.
Following this line, we propose a renewed mechanochemical protocol for synthesizing various heterocyclic classes by exploiting the reducing proprieties and the electrophilic nature of thiourea dioxide (TDO). Simultaneously using the ready availability and low cost of a component of the textile
industry such as TDO and all the advantages brought by a green technique such as mechanochemistry, we plotted the route towards a more sustainable and eco-friendly methodology for obtaining heterocyclic moieties.


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